3 Chicago teens rape 12 year old girl... at gunpoint... post video on facebook

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7figz;5840179 said:
taeboo;5839999 said:
7figz;5839942 said:
taeboo;5839925 said:
Darxwell;5839861"[quote="taeboo;5839727"[quote="Darxwell;5839680 said:
taeboo;5839672 said:
Darxwell;5839582 said:
@taeboo you're right about it being illegal but that doesnt mean these boys did something heinous. Rape should be taken seriously. It shouldnt be a tool used to teach boys "a lesson" about so-called "respecting girls" when at 12-years old this little whore knew exactly what she was doing.

That said it doesnt means she didnt get raped. The main thing is we shouldnt be calling young men rapists on a technicality which is what it is at this point. Unless you see them holding a gun to her head on the video there shouldnt be any judgment.

I never said it was heinous nor agreed they are guilty of aggravated rape. They did commit crimes tho and should be punished for them. I said it was gross, but I would think that if this was story about a group of adults. Men sticking their dicks in the same pussy right after each other is disgusting.

How are you coming to the conclusion they should be punished if you also agree that you're unsure if they actually RAPED her?

Disgusting is a matter of opinion. They're going to have to register as sex offenders. For running a damn train. What sense does that make in the long run?

Because they had sex with a 12 yr old child and filmed it, which is illegal. Idk what's so hard to understand about that.

YOu saying that like they're 56 years old.

he's 15 fucking years old. Three years older. At 12 you know EXACTLY what a dick is. You know what a vagina is. And you know what sex is. Whats so hard for YOU to understand about that?

Females generally have sex with older males anyway. Since when is that not the reality? Yes its illegal but that doesnt mean it should be. She's a ho. Hoes fuck random niggas. Soome hoes are 12 years old. Why's that hard to understand>?

15 or 56, it's still illegal. You get caught and provide the cops with evidence, you get punished. Just because she may be a hoe doesn't mean it's ok to have sex with her. Not all pussy is worth taking....

7figz;5839942 said:
It sounds like you're saying anyone under 17 having sex, and/or taping it, is and should be illegal.

Putting the case at hand aside for a moment, is that what you're saying ?

It is illegal, and yes it should be. You think it's ok for 15 and 16 yr olds to be fucking a 12 yr old and putting up a tape of the act on facebook?

What part of that should be illegal -

- Minors having sex ?

- Posting a video of yourself having sex on facebook ?

I'm not saying I approve of either of those but making it "illegal" is a whole other ballgame.

Minors be fuckin' - like it or not. And I want to have the right to post my own shit on line without it being illegal, so yeah.[/quote]

Both. 12 yr olds shouldn't be fucking period nor should having sex with one be video taped and posted to be viewed by others. So at what age do you say these dudes were wrong and need to be punished? 10 yrs old? 8?
 
Darxwell;5839861 said:
taeboo;5839727 said:
Darxwell;5839680 said:
taeboo;5839672 said:
Darxwell;5839582 said:
@taeboo you're right about it being illegal but that doesnt mean these boys did something heinous. Rape should be taken seriously. It shouldnt be a tool used to teach boys "a lesson" about so-called "respecting girls" when at 12-years old this little whore knew exactly what she was doing.

That said it doesnt means she didnt get raped. The main thing is we shouldnt be calling young men rapists on a technicality which is what it is at this point. Unless you see them holding a gun to her head on the video there shouldnt be any judgment.

I never said it was heinous nor agreed they are guilty of aggravated rape. They did commit crimes tho and should be punished for them. I said it was gross, but I would think that if this was story about a group of adults. Men sticking their dicks in the same pussy right after each other is disgusting.

How are you coming to the conclusion they should be punished if you also agree that you're unsure if they actually RAPED her?

Disgusting is a matter of opinion. They're going to have to register as sex offenders. For running a damn train. What sense does that make in the long run?

Because they had sex with a 12 yr old child and filmed it, which is illegal. Idk what's so hard to understand about that.

YOu saying that like they're 56 years old.

he's 15 fucking years old. Three years older. At 12 you know EXACTLY what a dick is. You know what a vagina is. And you know what sex is. Whats so hard for YOU to understand about that?

Females generally have sex with older males anyway. Since when is that not the reality? Yes its illegal but that doesnt mean it should be. She's a ho. Hoes fuck random niggas. Soome hoes are 12 years old. Why's that hard to understand>?

What females have experience with penises or sex at 12 years old bruh?
 
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ShiveDreadz;5839537 said:
They will beat the rape charge, may be charged for other crimes but it doesnt seem like rape to me.

Dudes wouldnt film THEMSELVES raping a broad and post it on facebook for the world to see on some bragging shit with all of their faces visible.

This was a train being ran and some young niggers beating their chest.

I know i got my first peice at 13 and thats in the 90's im sure these kids fuckin more these days.

Moral: stop taking pictures/filming shit.

Idk...in that Ohio case they were dumb enough to take pics and others filming themselves talking about it and some tweeting while ol girl was knocked out being carried around
 
7figz;5838957 said:
At the bolded - simply put, the law is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

There seems to be plenty of reasonable doubt if you look at this with an open-mind and any type of common sense.

It's not enough to assume, "there was a gun and they are in a gang, therefore it was rape." The burden of proof is on them, and I believe that if they did have better proof that she was forced to do it, it would've been more obvious.

This is why they shouldn't make these little "rule of thumb" sayings because people take them shits all out of context. "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" just means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. They are the ones that have to build the case to show that the accused committed a crime. It does not mean that you go into ever incident treating the alleged victims as liars.

And what do you mean if they had more proof it would've been more obvious. Were they supposed to be raping the chick with shirts saying "Hey we're raping her?" Shit like this almost always breaks down into he said she said. The prosecution took its time deciding whether or not they had enough to place charges and they did.

You dudes want to look at every rape case as if its a lying ass hoe trying to get over on some innocent guys. That's just being biased, and looking at things in a biased manner is not grounds for reasonable doubt. Like you pointed out. We don't know everything, so none of us can say what the truth is, but ya'll cats think every chick is lying in cases like these so unless a dude is confessing in your minds he's always innocent.

Halfabrick;5838981 said:
Cant you read the gun was never POINTED at HER. it was HELD and she could see it in one of the guys POCKET not once does it say they POINTED a gun HER directly.

Can't you read? That shit doesn't matter legally or logically. That's why menacing laws exist and that's why you can be charged with assault even if you don't actually hurt a person. Whether they pointed the gun or not is irrelevant. If they moved on her and let her know the gun was there in order to intimidate her, they still forced her.

pelle pelle;5838991 said:
Come on dog are you serious? I know the world is fucked up, but are you really saying that a 12, not 21, but 12 year old girl can't visit some boys she knows without expected to have a train run on her. You guys are on some other shit.

Fam you not understanding how hot these lil girls are outchea..my neighbors daughter is the lil hoe on the block and she 13..all types of lil niggas be posted up at her crib when her momma aint home..her big brother try to play his role as big brother but everybody knows there is no stoppin a wet pussy from gettin fucked..

These hoes out there aka thots

[/quote]

I feel you. I know chicks are strumpeting out there early these days. That said, I still don't believe its at the point where we should assume that 12 y/o girls are out there conning older dudes into fucking them. That said, I do admit it's possible that she just cried rape because they put her up on Facebook. That's bullshit, but I don't have sympathy for people that pull that shit anyway. You run a train on a chick fine, but why do you want to try to take it to that next level and humiliate her? They may not deserve a rape charge for that, but actions force reactions. You do some foul shit, you open yourself up to the consequences. It's just that simple.

 
The Lonious Monk;5840612 said:
7figz;5838957 said:
At the bolded - simply put, the law is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

There seems to be plenty of reasonable doubt if you look at this with an open-mind and any type of common sense.

It's not enough to assume, "there was a gun and they are in a gang, therefore it was rape." The burden of proof is on them, and I believe that if they did have better proof that she was forced to do it, it would've been more obvious.

This is why they shouldn't make these little "rule of thumb" sayings because people take them shits all out of context. "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" just means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. They are the ones that have to build the case to show that the accused committed a crime. It does not mean that you go into ever incident treating the alleged victims as liars.

So prosecutors don't question whether or not the accuser is telling the truth ? That's preposterous.

Being innocent until proven guilty is not treated as a "rule of thumb" saying. It's the actual law if I'm not mistaken.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that someone, accused of a crime is guilty, beyond doubt.

And a civilized society should welcome that.

The Lonious Monk;5840612 said:
And what do you mean if they had more proof it would've been more obvious. Were they supposed to be raping the chick with shirts saying "Hey we're raping her?" Shit like this almost always breaks down into he said she said. The prosecution took its time deciding whether or not they had enough to place charges and they did.

What I meant is simple. If they accuse the dudes of forcing her to have sex, with a gun, and there's a video - then I'd think that would've probably been one of the first things they mention about the video, not some shit about a gun being "visible" and she "felt scared". I'm expecting something along the lines of "He told me he would shoot me.... he threatened me with the gun... etc..."

The Lonious Monk;5840612 said:
You dudes want to look at every rape case as if its a lying ass hoe trying to get over on some innocent guys. That's just being biased, and looking at things in a biased manner is not grounds for reasonable doubt. Like you pointed out. We don't know everything, so none of us can say what the truth is, but ya'll cats think every chick is lying in cases like these so unless a dude is confessing in your minds he's always innocent.

I look at any case with common sense and reason. If anybody's being biased, it's someone who assumes that another person is guilty, or another person is innocent - while ignoring the facts.

So niggaz choose not to raise questions, or not consider all the facts and the people who do, are biased ? Really ?
 
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SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
Three teenagers face sex assault charges after they raped a 12-year-old girl at gunpoint and posted a video of the December attacks on Facebook, prosecutors said.

Scandale Fritz, 16, Kenneth Brown, 15, and Justin Applewhite, 16, were all ordered held in lieu of $900,000 bail in a hearing today before Criminal Court Judge James Brown, said Cook County state's attorney spokeswoman Tandra Simonton. The three were charged as adults.

The assaults took place about 3:30 p.m. Dec. 15 in Fritz's home in the 400 block of West 60th Place in the Englewood neighborhood, according to Chicago police records.

The girl had gone to Fritz's house on 60th Place that afternoon to talk to him, and when she went inside, she saw Brown, with a gun in his pocket, prosecutors said. Fritz took the girl downstairs in the house and after she declined his demands for sex, he raped and sodomized her, prosecutors said.

Brown and Applewhite came down to the basement, and Fritz demanded the girl have sex with the other two boys, prosecutors said. At first, the girl refused, but she saw that Brown had a gun in his pocket, and so they sexually assaulted her and forced her to perform sex acts on them.



Fritz videotaped the sex acts, including Brown holding a gun during sex, and all three of the boys shouting gang slogans, prosecutors said. All three of the boys are visible in the video, with Fritz entering the frame when he turns the camera toward himself.

The day after the assaults, the girl told someone about the attacks, and a police report was made and the girl was treated and examined at a hospital. On Dec. 17, the video was posted on Brown's Facebook page, and then on all three boys' Facebook pages, prosecutors said.

Fritz admitted to investigators he made the tape, prosecutors said.

Fritz and Brown, also of the 400 block of West 60th Place, are co-defendants in a previous, unrelated robbery and aggravated battery case, according to prosecutors. Brown also is on 18 months probation in a Nov. 28, 2012, unlawful use of a weapon case, prosecutors said. Brown is due back in court on that case May 22.

Applewhite, of the 500 block of East 80th Street, has no publishable criminal background, prosecutors said.

The three are due back in court June 6.

It was not known why it took until May to charge the three teens.


Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over
 
These niggas raped or busted down a 12 year old..... Ain't no way around that shit........ These niggas are like sophmores or juniors but I'm sure they are remedial and the school system just passed them along....... These niggas didn't see females their own age to fuck with???????? Nah they chose a 7th grader to bust down........... SMH......

Next niggas gonna be like "She was 10 years old, she could have said no. But she knew they was gonna run a train, so that's on her." smh............
 
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hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.
 
Darxwell;5839680 said:
taeboo;5839672 said:
Darxwell;5839582 said:
@taeboo you're right about it being illegal but that doesnt mean these boys did something heinous. Rape should be taken seriously. It shouldnt be a tool used to teach boys "a lesson" about so-called "respecting girls" when at 12-years old this little whore knew exactly what she was doing.

That said it doesnt means she didnt get raped. The main thing is we shouldnt be calling young men rapists on a technicality which is what it is at this point. Unless you see them holding a gun to her head on the video there shouldnt be any judgment.

I never said it was heinous nor agreed they are guilty of aggravated rape. They did commit crimes tho and should be punished for them. I said it was gross, but I would think that if this was story about a group of adults. Men sticking their dicks in the same pussy right after each other is disgusting.

How are you coming to the conclusion they should be punished if you also agree that you're unsure if they actually RAPED her?

Disgusting is a matter of opinion. They're going to have to register as sex offenders. For running a damn train. What sense does that make in the long run?

They deserve everything thats coming to them. Yall defending these chief keefs without really knowing anything. From what was given in the article two high school juniors and a sophmore had sex with a 6th grader and yall see nothing wrong with that? Really? Its Just a train really? If it was just a train what was the gun for? Who are you to say she wasnt threatened by the presence of the gun.
 
It was just a train.

There was a gun cuz niggas have guns. The gun aint even important in this shit. They wanna look "cool" in the video.

Id bet there was weed /cigs/money somewhere in the video too.

The bitch is 12 which usually means 7th grade. A nigga being 14 or 15 fucking her is not out of the ordinary as far as age. When I was a senior my girl was a sophomore. Two year age difference.

These lil niggas/hoes be outchere fuckin at younger ages. Fuckin in middle school is common nowadays. Especially in (im assuming) no-good neighborhoods like that one.
 
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The day after the assaults, the girl told someone about the attacks, and a police report was made and the girl was treated and examined at a hospital. On Dec. 17, the video was posted on Brown's Facebook page, and then on all three boys' Facebook pages, prosecutors said.



^ The bold indicates that the crime was reported prior to them posting it on facebook. The article also somewhat indicates that the girl is still 12, since they didn't include a "and now 13".

Whether it was rape or not, they still fucked up by posting a vid of them fucking a 12 year old.

self ether, on all accounts.
 
7figz;5840641 said:
So prosecutors don't question whether or not the accuser is telling the truth ? That's preposterous.

Being innocent until proven guilty is not treated as a "rule of thumb" saying. It's the actual law if I'm not mistaken.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that someone, accused of a crime is guilty, beyond doubt.

And a civilized society should welcome that.

Of course they do, but they don't go into an investigation assuming the victim is a liar. Best case, everyone involved goes into the situation with no bias and builds their opinion of what happened based on the evidence available. Your problem is you're trying to argue that the boys should be treated fairly which is true, but your idea of treating them fairly seems to involve dismissing the victim's allegations as bullshit unless some irrefutable evidence removes any and all doubt. That's not how shit works and it's not how shit should work. Almost no criminal would ever be prosecuted if that's the way things were done.

What I meant is simple. If they accuse the dudes of forcing her to have sex, with a gun, and there's a video - then I'd think that would've probably been one of the first things they mention about the video, not some shit about a gun being "visible" and she "felt scared". I'm expecting something along the lines of "He told me he would shoot me.... he threatened me with the gun... etc..."

How do you know none of that was said? Just because it's not in the article doesn't mean it's not the case. Article covering incident =/= prosecutor's case. The prosecutors are most likely holding a lot of details back especially due to the child's age.

I look at any case with common sense and reason. If anybody's being biased, it's someone who assumes that another person is guilty, or another person is innocent - while ignoring the facts.

So niggaz choose not to raise questions, or not consider all the facts and the people who do, are biased ? Really ?

Again, questions are good, silly loaded questions that basically assume that the victim is lying are pointless. Again, you keep pointing out that people are judging without considering facts. You don't have access to anymore facts than anyone else, yet you've clearly made up your mind that the chick is lying. So you're doing the same shit you're railing against.

 
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Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything


 
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5842648 said:
Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything

If it was a rape I don't think those dumbasses would have posted it..niggas do stupid shit but i hope they not that stupid..

They probably didnt realize fucking a 12 year old can also be considered rape..I think she went over there to fuck and got more than what she bargained for..i.e. facebook exposure

 
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5842648 said:
Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything

It's not far fetched to assume a 12 year old girl in a room when she knows one of the three older people she's in the room with has a gun would possibly cause her to feel a bit threatened and fearful of what would happen if she doesn't go along with it. Ya'll keep forgetting this is a 12 year old not an adult.

And shit, even with adults you don't have to show a gun to someone to threaten them with it. Just the knowledge that someone has a gun on them will change how most people act towards them.
 
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pelle pelle;5842680 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5842648 said:
Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything

If it was a rape I don't think those dumbasses would have posted it..niggas do stupid shit but i hope they not that stupid..

They probably didnt realize fucking a 12 year old can also be considered rape..I think she went over there to fuck and got more than what she bargained for..i.e. facebook exposure

Come on now. You were the one who pointed out how whorish young girls have become. If you know that, then you should be well aware of how dumb people are nowadays when it comes to posting shit that could get them in trouble.

I remember hearing about a MIA rap group/gang that got themselves locked up because they basically detailed all of their crimes in their music.
 
pelle pelle;5842680 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5842648 said:
Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything

If it was a rape I don't think those dumbasses would have posted it..niggas do stupid shit but i hope they not that stupid..

They probably didnt realize fucking a 12 year old can also be considered rape..I think she went over there to fuck and got more than what she bargained for..i.e. facebook exposure

She reported it as a crime before they posted it on facebook.
 
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The Lonious Monk;5842708 said:
pelle pelle;5842680 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5842648 said:
Tymoney19;5841988 said:
hALF_pAST_7EVEN;5840814 said:
SleepwalkingInJapan;496128 said:
http://youtu.be/QY5hRAXBPGI

Had me on her side until I read that

At no point he pulled the gun out and threatened her nor was there a physical altercation/struggle

She did it willingly and was degraded by them recording it putting it on blast, hence why she told them stop

Lil niggas need to listen when a chick says stop, its what fucked them over

The gun dont got to be pointing at your head to be threatened. Shes 12 there older and supposedly in a gang. them just flashing the gun and the gun being in her presence was enough to make her feel threatened. Yall niggas acting like if a dude walked into chucky cheese with a visible gun shit wouldnt tense up.

But she didn't say they flashed the gun did she?

Niggas in gangs have guns, but if they ain't threaten you with it then I'm not going with the flow they flat out raped her

It was a train and them niggas going to jail for screwing a 12 year old and taped it

But I don't believe they forced her to do anything

If it was a rape I don't think those dumbasses would have posted it..niggas do stupid shit but i hope they not that stupid..

They probably didnt realize fucking a 12 year old can also be considered rape..I think she went over there to fuck and got more than what she bargained for..i.e. facebook exposure

Come on now. You were the one who pointed out how whorish young girls have become. If you know that, then you should be well aware of how dumb people are nowadays when it comes to posting shit that could get them in trouble.

I remember hearing about a MIA rap group/gang that got themselves locked up because they basically detailed all of their crimes in their music.
you right b..I can't even deny that..

The whole situation is fucked all the way around and the fact remains, those boys were wrong as two left feet..whether or not shorty went ovver there to have sex, the oldest boy should have known better no matter how it's sliced..

Hopefully shorty will see her situation as a life lesson and choose a productive path for herself and as far as the boys, they need to be punished as well as counseled bcuz they obviously failed to see the wrong in their behavior..

Sad part is the realist in me knows there is high chance that all parties involved have a less than bright future ahead of them just based on where they are from..the city of chicago eats it's babies with no remorse

 
The Lonious Monk;5842644 said:
7figz;5840641 said:
So prosecutors don't question whether or not the accuser is telling the truth ? That's preposterous.

Being innocent until proven guilty is not treated as a "rule of thumb" saying. It's the actual law if I'm not mistaken.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that someone, accused of a crime is guilty, beyond doubt.

And a civilized society should welcome that.

Of course they do, but they don't go into an investigation assuming the victim is a liar. Best case, everyone involved goes into the situation with no bias and builds their opinion of what happened based on the evidence available. Your problem is you're trying to argue that the boys should be treated fairly which is true, but your idea of treating them fairly seems to involve dismissing the victim's allegations as bullshit unless some irrefutable evidence removes any and all doubt. That's not how shit works and it's not how shit should work. Almost no criminal would ever be prosecuted if that's the way things were done.

What I meant is simple. If they accuse the dudes of forcing her to have sex, with a gun, and there's a video - then I'd think that would've probably been one of the first things they mention about the video, not some shit about a gun being "visible" and she "felt scared". I'm expecting something along the lines of "He told me he would shoot me.... he threatened me with the gun... etc..."

How do you know none of that was said? Just because it's not in the article doesn't mean it's not the case. Article covering incident =/= prosecutor's case. The prosecutors are most likely holding a lot of details back especially due to the child's age.

I look at any case with common sense and reason. If anybody's being biased, it's someone who assumes that another person is guilty, or another person is innocent - while ignoring the facts.

So niggaz choose not to raise questions, or not consider all the facts and the people who do, are biased ? Really ?

Again, questions are good, silly loaded questions that basically assume that the victim is lying are pointless. Again, you keep pointing out that people are judging without considering facts. You don't have access to anymore facts than anyone else, yet you've clearly made up your mind that the chick is lying. So you're doing the same shit you're railing against.

So, at which point did I say the chick was lying ? It's not my fault there are holes in the story.

I know niggas wanna catch feelings when they hear a young girl was raped but that shit ain't always true, and the only way to know is to investigate / ask questions.

That's all niggaz are doing. The story sounds flaky, so questions are being raised.

I'm sure you'd want the same for yourself if you were accused of a crime.

You want niggaz to sit there ignoring things that sound like bullshit ?

 
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