11 Stunning Facts About American Prison System

[MrLunatik1979]

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

Going to prison aint really a choice. For drug dealers maybe, there's quite a few people who violate parole because they can't pay restitution or they can't meet all the obligations of parole.

Here check this out

During 2011, approximately 12% of parolees were re-incarcerated. Eight percent of parolees were re-incarcerated due to parole violations and revocations, and 3% of parolees were re-incarcerated for new offenses.

That's from the feds, each parole office sets their own rules so it could vary from office to office, let alone from state to state. In any case you can see that few people commit NEW crimes.
http://www.nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/facts

Check this out as well:

More than 10 percent of those entering prisons and jails are homeless in the months before their incarceration. For those with mental illness, the rates are even higher — about 20 percent. Released prisoners with a history of shelter use were almost five times as likely to have a post-release shelter stay.

still comes down to a choice. You choose to violate parole, you choose to commit a different crime.

One could even argue alot of the homeless people are more than willing to get caught because now they get food and shelter.

Sometimes situations force someone into choices.

 

[Amotekun]

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

Going to prison aint really a choice. For drug dealers maybe, there's quite a few people who violate parole because they can't pay restitution or they can't meet all the obligations of parole.

Here check this out

During 2011, approximately 12% of parolees were re-incarcerated. Eight percent of parolees were re-incarcerated due to parole violations and revocations, and 3% of parolees were re-incarcerated for new offenses.

That's from the feds, each parole office sets their own rules so it could vary from office to office, let alone from state to state. In any case you can see that few people commit NEW crimes.
http://www.nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/facts

Check this out as well:

More than 10 percent of those entering prisons and jails are homeless in the months before their incarceration. For those with mental illness, the rates are even higher — about 20 percent. Released prisoners with a history of shelter use were almost five times as likely to have a post-release shelter stay.

still comes down to a choice. You choose to violate parole, you choose to commit a different crime.

One could even argue alot of the homeless people are more than willing to get caught because now they get food and shelter.

Sometimes situations force someone into choices.

Have you ever talked with a parolee, ex-con, felon?

If you did you would know that there are many homeless people

who are felons simply because they cant find work and no family to support them.

If you talked to felons ex-cons you'd learn that the prison system is not a structure

of reformation but of dehumanization. Changes people into animals.

So its like miss me with your philosophy from own high when you never walked in the

shoes of those you judge. I swear fo' de lawd niggas with the least experience got the

most opinions.

 

[MrLunatik1979]

Im smart enough to outwit many an outbred and inbred hick....Im also smart enough to not nor consider someone's

opinion who

1) doesnt live in the US

2) never interacted with the particular group discussed....

3) Im pretty sure that you mean running my fingers as we are

typing and not speaking from a soapbox.

IJS....

arrogant white boys stay arrogant.

shocking that you would turn this into something about my race. you play the race card more than anyone and it gets old dude.

as for your points...

1) I may not live in the US but our laws are similar. And for some reason our country is less violent and has less people in prison.

2) How do you know who I have and haven't interacted with? Despite being Canadian and white I do have a number of criminals in my family tree, both past and present.

3) it's a figure of speech. Most people of average intelligence would get that. But I know you picking at shit because your point is weak.

I don't care what race someone is. I don't care what a person's economic status is. I don't care what a person's living situation is.

When you break a law you choose to do so. Sometimes the choice sucks (like if someone is stealing food), but it's still a choice. You can choose to live within the laws, or you can choose not to.

Also remember I have said the system is broken and fucked up, I have also admitted its racist. But in the end no matter what color someone is they choose to break a law.

 

[Amotekun]

Im smart enough to outwit many an outbred and inbred hick....Im also smart enough to not nor consider someone's

opinion who

1) doesnt live in the US

2) never interacted with the particular group discussed....

3) Im pretty sure that you mean running my fingers as we are

typing and not speaking from a soapbox.

IJS....

arrogant white boys stay arrogant.

shocking that you would turn this into something about my race. you play the race card more than anyone and it gets old dude.

as for your points...

1) I may not live in the US but our laws are similar. And for some reason our country is less violent and has less people in prison.

2) How do you know who I have and haven't interacted with? Despite being Canadian and white I do have a number of criminals in my family tree, both past and present.

3) it's a figure of speech. Most people of average intelligence would get that. But I know you picking at shit because your point is weak.

I don't care what race someone is. I don't care what a person's economic status is. I don't care what a person's living situation is.

When you break a law you choose to do so. Sometimes the choice sucks (like if someone is stealing food), but it's still a choice. You can choose to live within the laws, or you can choose not to.

Also remember I have said the system is broken and fucked up, I have also admitted its racist. But in the end no matter what color someone is they choose to break a law.

I have also admitted its racist.

that right there makes everything you said before and after null and void.

Cant admit that a system is racist means it seeks to criminalize and recriminalize a specific

group of people purposefully and aggressively and then spout all that other bullshit about committing

crimes.

You are arguing from a position of privilege having never had to make the choices yourself...and I know you havent

because by now you would have "graced" the thread with your anecdotes same with your so called criminal

family tree, which I dont doubt.

Gonna need some crutches all this shootin yourself in the foot you doin

 

[MrLunatik1979]

that right there makes everything you said before and after null and void.

Cant admit that a system is racist means it seeks to criminalize and recriminalize a specific

group of people purposefully and aggressively and then spout all that other bullshit about committing

crimes.

You are arguing from a position of privilege having never had to make the choices yourself...and I know you havent

because by now you would have "graced" the thread with your anecdotes same with your so called criminal

family tree, which I dont doubt.

Gonna need some crutches all this shootin yourself in the foot you doin

I never said the system seeks to "recriminalize" anyone. I am saying these criminals have a choice, which they do. The racism in the system is how much easier is it for whites to get off or get lesser sentences for similar crimes.

And to suggest anyone hasn't had choices put before them is ignorant dude. Everyone has had to make tough choices. Just because I don't air my shit out on the IC trying to be hard and get attention doesn't mean I haven't been in tough spots.

Bottom line is people make choices. If you disagree you are apart of the problem, not the solution.

What you should be doing is educating folks on how to keep out of prison, how to live within the system instead of bitching about a system that ain't going to change. If the problem won't fix itself you got to adapt.

 

[Amotekun]

You cant argue your position unless you've had to make the

"choice" to eat or starve....

/your point

 

[jono]

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

Going to prison aint really a choice. For drug dealers maybe, there's quite a few people who violate parole because they can't pay restitution or they can't meet all the obligations of parole.

Here check this out

During 2011, approximately 12% of parolees were re-incarcerated. Eight percent of parolees were re-incarcerated due to parole violations and revocations, and 3% of parolees were re-incarcerated for new offenses.

That's from the feds, each parole office sets their own rules so it could vary from office to office, let alone from state to state. In any case you can see that few people commit NEW crimes.
http://www.nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/facts

Check this out as well:

More than 10 percent of those entering prisons and jails are homeless in the months before their incarceration. For those with mental illness, the rates are even higher — about 20 percent. Released prisoners with a history of shelter use were almost five times as likely to have a post-release shelter stay.

still comes down to a choice. You choose to violate parole, you choose to commit a different crime.

One could even argue alot of the homeless people are more than willing to get caught because now they get food and shelter.

Sometimes situations force someone into choices.

If force is involved, then it is not a choice.

 

[MrLunatik1979]

If force is involved, then it is not a choice.

bullshit. there is choice in everything. Even in a case where its commit a crime or die a choice is still made, the choices may not be enviable but they are still choices.

 

[MrLunatik1979]

You cant argue your position unless you've had to make the

"choice" to eat or starve....

/your point

Its still a choice. Is it that hard for you to get? It might not be an enviable situation but it's still a choice. And I am not even saying that it's wrong, I am saying everyone knows the laws, in the end they choose whether or not they violate. Sometimes the choice is easier than others.

 

[Amotekun]

You cant argue your position unless you've had to make the

"choice" to eat or starve....

/your point

Its still a choice. Is it that hard for you to get? It might not be an enviable situation but it's still a choice. And I am not even saying that it's wrong, I am saying everyone knows the laws, in the end they choose whether or not they violate. Sometimes the choice is easier than others.

#finito

 

[jono]

If force is involved, then it is not a choice.

bullshit. there is choice in everything. Even in a case where its commit a crime or die a choice is still made, the choices may not be enviable but they are still choices.

There is choice is most things.

You can try to play that game all day, but if someone forces you into doing something, or puts you in a situation that forces you to do something had no choice.

A rational person wouldn't even make that assumption.

 

[MrLunatik1979]

If force is involved, then it is not a choice.

bullshit. there is choice in everything. Even in a case where its commit a crime or die a choice is still made, the choices may not be enviable but they are still choices.

There is choice is most things.

You can try to play that game all day, but if someone forces you into doing something, or puts you in a situation that forces you to do something had no choice.

A rational person wouldn't even make that assumption.

whether "forced" or not, you still know the consequences before you do it. it's that simple. you break a law and get caught you face the consequences.

 

[desertrain10]

But, if "makin' that money" leads you to prison, over and over again, what have you accomplished?

I'd rather be broke and livin' off relatives than be locked in a cage with other men, living like a modern day slave.

exactly. you can blame the system or you can live within the system. it's not like laws are secret and you are guessing your way through life. if you don't do anything illegal then the odds of you going to prison are extremely slim, irregardless of race. maybe its time people man up and take responsibility for their own actions rather than blame a system.

now i am not saying the system ain't broken and fucked up and i am not saying it isn't racist either, because it is racist and it is broken and fucked up, there is no denying that.but in the end if you don't commit a crimethe chaces of you becoming a prison statistic is slim.

Ok so lets just accept the status quo, right? Even though we know many of us have been set up to fail

Insteading of addressing a system which is broken unlike our ancestors we should just accept it...recommend the youth growing up in the hood to go to

college so they can get a good Job even though they might not have the means to and black unemployment is at a high even for those with degrees

Not like the criminal justice perpetuates the cycle of poverty and crime in minority communities...a reformed ex felon more than likely wont be able to legitimately provide a way for his seed to go to college

And lets ignore that a large portion of inmates are imprisoned for non violent offenses

Yea stop bitching. Strive to be the 1 out of 1000

Easy for u to say considering ur white and Canadian

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

How you s'posed to work a square job with a felony conviction on your record or a drug conviction on your record?

Its hard as fuck gettin a job as a square Black man let alone a nigga tryin to find work after serving a sentence.

Is a nigga s'posed to starve or live on some bottom barrel bullshit or is he gonna go grind and make that money?

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

How you s'posed to work a square job with a felony conviction on your record or a drug conviction on your record?

Its hard as fuck gettin a job as a square Black man let alone a nigga tryin to find work after serving a sentence.

Is a nigga s'posed to starve or live on some bottom barrel bullshit or is he gonna go grind and make that money?

But, if "makin' that money" leads you to prison, over and over again, what have you accomplished?

I'd rather be broke and livin' off relatives than be locked in a cage with other men, living like a modern day slave.

Of

You sound like a silver spoon ignorant muthafucka

Not everybody got option of falling back on family when tough times hit. Then what? Sit yo ass down somewhere

 

[MrLunatik1979]

Ok so lets just accept the status quo, right? Even though we know many of us have been set up to fail

Insteading of addressing a system which is broken unlike our ancestors we should just accept it...recommend the youth growing up in the hood to go to

college so they can get a good Job even though they might not have the means to and black unemployment is at a high even for those with degrees

Not like the criminal justice perpetuates the cycle of poverty and crime in minority communities...a reformed ex felon more than likely wont be able to legitimately provide a way for his seed to go to college

And lets ignore that a large portion of inmates are imprisoned for non violent offenses

Yea stop bitching. Strive to be the 1 out of 1000

Easy for u to say considering ur white and Canadian

You wanna know why white privilege still exists? Because people like you and Amotekun are too fucking busy blaming everyone else instead of taking control of your own lives. Someone is always blaming whites or blaming the system or blaming something. You can't move forward in life as a person or culture if you are more worried about blaming others than taking responsibility. You want to beat the system? Then try beating it from within instead of bitching about it.

 

[HarlemThumzUp]

4 in 10 prisoners return to state prisons within three years of release

Never understood this.

What civilized human being would return to prison after being released?

You spent time in Hell, and were one of the fortunate ones who survived and was released!

Your main goal in life should be making sure that you NEVER return.

Any ICers who've been locked up more than once? If so, I have a question for you.....

Seriously.

Going to prison aint really a choice. For drug dealers maybe, there's quite a few people who violate parole because they can't pay restitution or they can't meet all the obligations of parole.

Here check this out

During 2011, approximately 12% of parolees were re-incarcerated. Eight percent of parolees were re-incarcerated due to parole violations and revocations, and 3% of parolees were re-incarcerated for new offenses.

That's from the feds, each parole office sets their own rules so it could vary from office to office, let alone from state to state. In any case you can see that few people commit NEW crimes.
http://www.nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/facts

Check this out as well:

More than 10 percent of those entering prisons and jails are homeless in the months before their incarceration. For those with mental illness, the rates are even higher — about 20 percent. Released prisoners with a history of shelter use were almost five times as likely to have a post-release shelter stay.

still comes down to a choice. You choose to violate parole, you choose to commit a different crime.

One could even argue alot of the homeless people are more than willing to get caught because now they get food and shelter.

Sometimes situations force someone into choices.

i believe this is the point the americans are tryin to make