10 Commandments - Thou Shall Not Murder

[GSonII]

Wrath makes no sense as a form of punishment, especially if you are looking at it as controlled or fair. For instance, a child born into the world with an incurable disease would bring just as much or more pain and punishment on the people that love that child as the plague brought on these killers. The child has done nothing, the killers have killed. So, to ask why is trying to make sense of something that will not make sense to a clear thinker. I hope I am wrong about the bible because so many people believe that the bible explains God for them but I just don't see it that way. The bible makes little to no sense for large portions of the ride.

 

[GSonII]

If being a sinner is just about comitting a crime against God, then it would be difficult to accept God's Forgiveness if it doesn't stop you from getting punished. However, I believe it is not. Also, if "all-loving" is suppose to mean that God is this infinite bundle of happy emotions, then I would be disappointed, too. I believe differently about this. To even put it in common terms, there is something "fake" about people who seem to be "loving" all the time. No matter how much someone hates their guts, they just turn around and smile and say, "I love you". They have no sense of the reasons for why someone might be upset. They may be in denial of their own insecurities so they make like insults don't hurt. Something is wrong with the world and it's going to take more than a bunch of "I love you"'s to fix it.

What has really been fixed? Even when he supposedly sent his only begotten son that didn't fix anything feasible. There is a difference between kicking knowledge and making valid points my friend. Lastly, it says somewhere in the bible that God forgives 70x's7 times or something like that. Not too many people commit the same sin that many times and it sure was not done here. The truth is just to get mad to the point of kill everybody wrath because something happens when bible people say you are all-knowing does not make any sense.

 

[Israelites]

So what kind of message is this for believers today? Even if you repent, you aren't forgiven. God holds a grudge and will make you pay. So there is no actual forgiveness at all.

if you believe this, you really need to get you some understanding of the book, & if you really feel this way, why are you so bothered by what's written, we all get it bro, your an atheist or whatever you want to call yourself... why do you continue to let the book upset you? Just let it go, you remind me of the parable of the sowing seed.

Luke 8:5-18 (King James Version)

5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

9And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

16No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

17For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

18Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

if you believe this, you really need to get you some understanding of the book, & if you really feel this way, why are you so bothered by what's written, we all get it bro, your an atheist or whatever you want to call yourself... why do you continue to let the book upset you?

These types of arguments are really weak and repetitive. Maybe these sorts of topics just interest him because it is everywhere. This is the only place that i've been able to have such honest discussions out side of the real world. You can flesh out all of your concerns or ideas here. This is a Race & Religion board. The people who grew up around religion no matter if they were ever religious, feel that topics like these which influence world policy are important to them because they see something very wrong with it's hold on society..

You can't let go of something that affects the way you live your life which includes your relations with highly religious family and communities. Unless people are walking around professing their hate for religion (the opposite of what religious people do often and loudly) i see noting wrong with this illuminating discussions.

 

[Israelites]

These types of arguments are really weak and repetitive. Maybe these sorts of topics just interest him because it is everywhere. This is the only place that i've been able to have such honest discussions out side of the real world. You can flesh out all of your concerns or ideas here. This is a Race & Religion board. The people who grew up around religion no matter if they were ever religious, feel that topics like these which influence world policy are important to them because they see something very wrong with it's hold on society..

You can't let go of something that affects the way you live your life which includes your relations with highly religious family and communities. Unless people are walking around professing their hate for religion (the opposite of what religious people do often and loudly) i see noting wrong with this illuminating discussions.

I understand your point, but this is why I asked vibe, because I have a small rapport w/the brother & trust me, I could let go of something I didn't believe in with no problem even if it wasn't on the up & up w/others around me. Religious folks are the worst!

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Tell that to the Nazi's. They were killing whole sale at the command of their leader. Most went to the hague

Under German Law it wasn't murder. Sure we look at it as despicable and it is, but that's because we don't abide by Nazi Germany law either.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Under German Law it wasn't murder. Sure we look at it as despicable and it is, but that's because we don't abide by Nazi Germany law either.

Under the law of the victor, it was.

 

[alissowack]

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What has really been fixed? Even when he supposedly sent his only begotten son that didn't fix anything feasible. There is a difference between kicking knowledge and making valid points my friend. Lastly, it says somewhere in the bible that God forgives 70x's7 times or something like that. Not too many people commit the same sin that many times and it sure was not done here. The truth is just to get mad to the point of kill everybody wrath because something happens when bible people say you are all-knowing does not make any sense.

You must not have read my post, sir. How do you get "something getting fixed" out of the post you highlighted? I wasn't suggesting that anything will get fixed. Jesus's Death and Resurrection isn't about whether it fixes the issues of the world. The "70 times 7" is in response to a question on how many times man should forgive and even then the numbers are not the point. God sees man as sin and because of that, the world could get it's act together on it's own; walk around practicing good morals and God will not see man any different. There is a verse that refers to all acts of righteousness being filthy rags.

 

[JadaRoss]

people dont seem to care about any commandments.

 

[UPTOWN]

god gave direct commandments to moses and one of them was, "thou shall not murder". No type of murder is accepted, this is seen in exodus when god is speaking about slaves or people being killed on accident, that the killer will be put to death for those killings.

Is murder and killing, biblically, any different?

After god gives moses the 10 commandments, god's people decided (well aaron did) to make a golden calf as an idol, which upsets god. God wants them destroyed but moses sways god's decision. Then this..

27 then he said to them, “this is what the lord, the god of israel, says: ‘each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”

killing, which is a sin in the bible. These people were killed for honoring this golden calf as an idol. Isn't this considered murder? Is there a difference between a killing and a murder? 3,000 people were slaughtered.

30 the next day moses said to the people, “you have committed a great sin. But now i will go up to the lord; perhaps i can make atonement for your sin.”

31 so moses went back to the lord and said, “oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32 but now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

33 the lord replied to moses, “whoever has sinned against me i will blot out of my book. 34 now go, lead the people to the place i spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, i will punish them for their sin.”

35 and the lord struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf aaron had made.

now here we have a great sin committed but it isn't murder, it's the idolatry of the golden calf. Not only does moses try to atone for this "great sin" of the idol, god strikes them all with a plague.

Now how is murder acceptable but the golden calf is inexcusable? Also, who is he striking down with plagues if the previous verse they all killed 3,000 for the same exact thing?

This chapter doesn't make any sense at all.

Again, what is the difference between murder and killing for this chapter?

Why did they murder 3,000 people? If it was for the idol, which it seems it is, then all those people should be dead. Why did god strike his own people with a plague then?

lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Under the law of the victor, it was.

There was no recognized conflict for much of their killing commited by the Nazis so a "law of the victor" doesn't apply. It's why the Nazis could be tried for the holocaust. They didn't kill the Jews as part of war. They just mass murdered them.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

There was no recognized conflict for much of their killing commited by the Nazis so a "law of the victor" doesn't apply. It's why the Nazis could be tried for the holocaust. They didn't kill the Jews as part of war. They just mass murdered them.

According to the Nazi's, it was a War strategy and the conflict was created by the Jews. So the jews were a swon enemy.

 

[janklow]

According to the Nazi's, it was a War strategy and the conflict was created by the Jews.

maybe the latter, but the former doesn't seem accurate considering that they saw it as something to resolve in nations they were no longer at war with (and espoused before they were ever at war)