Why jay-z being a mason or illumanti is not really that importatant

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lordhonka2;84823 said:
It is not important wether or not jay z is a mason or illumantin what is more important is that we are witnessing what makes hip hop so great.What we are witnessing it shedding its skin

Hip hop is a ever evoliving creature on it outside but its core is what happen in the street with realpeople. common rapped in- real people-

I live across from it, some of it I do be in

I be showin' niggaz lives

Like UPN

It's real people.

Essentially that is the job of the artist that makes hip hop music to " show niggas lives like upn." This was the job langston hughes, or zora neal hurstons or claud mckay in the Harlem renaissance. thats the job of any one who is to be regarded as great. Hip hop essentialy must shine a light out from people and one on people. Pimps Hoes Money Hard times African hieratage drug use relationships sex succes lust happiness the everday mundane life of the everyday person has to be represented or its not art its more like faux art. its art for the art crowd not art for arts sake.

so you are wondering what this has to do with jay z

What we see jay doing, wether he is an illumanti maons satinist rapper or not,is out reachingin his fans. He once spoke eloquently and with command of the slang and english language what real people wanted to say. He talked the shit we wanted to talk. What the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6 ? you know because jay talked that shit. he told you that he was addicted to the money like fiens were adicted to the crack but in a way that made you not want to model him but you wanted to hear more. This jay-z we have today does not speak for the people. This jay-z has lost touched with what real people are going thru. We dont want jesus and bullet and skulls and and horns and white dudes with painted faces. we dont want faux art for the art crowd in your video. we want that wonderama shit that me my conglamerate shall remain anonymouse caught up in finest shit.

but instead you tell us real people to buy your old albums..... and we do beacuse you talked to us real people back then. all of us, street and corporate. Some one posted on this site once " new tax bracket new friends" it seems more like new tax bracket new fans.

yes it is easier to believe that Jay z is Satanist illuminati mason hip hop superstar because he lost his way home he lost the connection to what made him, the real people in the streets. jay-z is not shining the light back on us. Its hard to see this and know that jay z will die out from hip hop because he was succesful at hiphop but as i said before that is what hip hop does. it has to devour it self in order to remain true to itself but it must remain tru to itself i.e. the real everyday people

Jayz has taken hip hop as far as he can carry it. his succes is his death it has to be that way.

I want to be clear about one thing this is not a jay z is to old thing or he aint as good a rapper as ( insert new rappers name) or a jay z dont go to marcy and hang out in the projects and keep it real thread cause that just dumb.instead what i beleive is that people should recongize that they are witnessing somthing that other generation of rap fans have had to witness and that is the death( in relevence to hip hop) of a great mc. Jay z will remain connected to pop culture maybe even hiphop but not the people i dont know if any one with that level of succes and money can.

LORDHONKA

Just my thoughts my opinion how i was feeling at the time

i offer nun of this as fact but let me know if yo feel it (
 
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theres no problem with him believing what he wants.

the problem is him tainting his music to express his views subliminally.

if he believes in that mason shit, let him believe it.. but when he disrespect others beliefs (i.e.- the Jesus line in "Empire state"; "On to the next one" video, the whole "J-Hova" thing.. etc) and try to cover it all up by denying the alligations,is showing how dishonest he is to his fans.

I'm not a Jay-Z fan .. so:



fuck Jay-Z
 
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rapluva;85041 said:
SHUT YO WHITE-BITCH ASS UP HONKEY, tryina get my (Black) peoplez 2 over-look that white man ceated BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm african american

and you clearly didnt comprehend that im not defending jayz or saying that he is not a mason ilumanti satnist rapper im just saying that he has outreached his fans if thinks he can remain relevant an present the images and "art the way he does. he would have never said " jesus cant save u life begins where the church ends" if he say that in 98 he dosent exist in 2000.

oh and did you say honkey cause ahhh my nigga its 2010 and nobody says that shit anymore

oh and lets be real this is nothing new to us the way jay z is rappin ( i never prayed to god i prayed to gotti - jay z) its just that we dont allow it now because he has les relevance and people should pay attention because its his end we are witnessing

he will have to make a song an directly refute what people are saying to hold on to relevance and i dont believe he feels he has to do that.
 
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therealist_;85128 said:
theres no problem with him believing what he wants.

the problem is him tainting his music to express his views subliminally.

if he believes in that mason shit, let him believe it.. but when he disrespect others beliefs (i.e.- the Jesus line in "Empire state"; "On to the next one" video, the whole "J-Hova" thing.. etc) and try to cover it all up by denying the alligations,is showing how dishonest he is to his fans.

I'm not a Jay-Z fan .. so:



fuck Jay-Z

i agree some what whith what your saying but i what i want other to see is that he has began to lose relevance in hip hop if he believes that his beliefs dont matter or that being a little more open about it will allow him to remain relevant. like i said to the othe poster he been saying strange shit for year ie i never payed to god i prayed to gotti that jayz couple those lines with being a hustler but its clear he beleived somthing different it didnt matte to us because he was relevet. jay z calling himself jay hov didnt much matter because he was relevent he is becoming less relevent and so he is unable to vail his beleifs. he can believe what he want but he can remain relevent to hip hop
 
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lordhonka2;85267 said:
i agree some what whith what your saying but i what i want other to see is that he has began to lose relevance in hip hop if he believes that his beliefs dont matter or that being a little more open about it will allow him to remain relevant. like i said to the othe poster he been saying strange shit for year ie i never payed to god i prayed to gotti that jayz couple those lines with being a hustler but its clear he beleived somthing different it didnt matte to us because he was relevet. jay z calling himself jay hov didnt much matter because he was relevent he is becoming less relevent and so he is unable to vail his beleifs. he can believe what he want but he can remain relevent to hip hop

I understand.. he'll always be relevent to hip hop because he's one of the best to do it. The problem is that, its hard not to focus on his personal life, and just his music, because he adds the two together..

He's a Top 5 D.O.A, but its un-called for to use your popularity status as a way to lure your fans into something you believe in.
 
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