Who Were The Top MCs Before 1995?

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power_wisdom;c-9799008 said:
5 Grand;c-9798948 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798900 said:
5 Grand;c-9798881 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798862 said:
5 Grand;c-9798830 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798614 said:
5 Grand;c-9798480 said:
za'kiss;c-9798418 said:
1. Rakim

2. Kool G. Rap

3. Scarface

4. Redman

5. Ice Cube

Obviously Nas, Big, and everyone else dropped in '94, but I'm giving a realistic list based on a real top 5 before all the careers of those GOATs took off, otherwise my top 5 from '95 wouldn't look much different form how it looks now.

Yeah, thats what I'm getting at. Big, Nas and Pac hadn't reached their apex. Big only had 1 album and so did Nas. And the material Pac had released up to that point wouldn't have put him in anybody's top 5. His best work came later.

Anyway, here's my list

1. Melle Mel

2. Rakim

3. KRS One

4. Ice Cube

5. LL Cool J

^^^ Those guys had full careers and solid discographies by 1995.

By 95 Big and Nas where looked at as the kings of NY. You have to remember a rapper career was short back then. Rapper made an album or 2 and fall off. In 95 out of your 5, Kris and Cube was still talked about. LL too, but nobody was saying he was the best. Rappers didn't even want to rap past 30. The genre was still very young.

We're talking New Years Eve 1994. Nobody was calling Big or Nas anything yet. They both had good albums, but think of Kendrick. After GKMC nobody was calling him top 5 DOA.

Biggie had a big summer in 1995. He released the One More Chance (Remix), Flavor In Your Ear (Remix), Players Anthem, Can't You See by Total and Mr Cee's The Best Of Biggie mixtape that had Real Niggaz Do Real Things and The Wickedest Freestyle. But as of New Years 1994 none of those songs had been released yet. Biggie really just had one album.

Nas only had one album, Verbal Intercourse wasn't even out yet.

Your saying that a rappers career was short back then but that simply isn't true. KRS had 7 albums by that point (8 if you count the live album) LL had 5 albums, Cube had 4 albums (6 if you count Straight Outta Compton and the Kill At Will EP), Rakim had 4 albums by that point.

I was 21 in 1994. I remember those conversations. Rakim was still considered the standard for an ill MC. Backpackers liked Rakim and KRS. People who weren't backpackers liked Ice Cube. Girls liked LL Cool J.

Nas, Jay, 2Pac and Biggie were just getting started.

In 94, kane and Rakim wasn't really on the scene like that. Their popularity was fading. Illmatic and Ready to die was the biggest things to hit that year. Those was some of the albums to bring it home to the East. Snoop was the biggest thing popping before that. It wasn't really about who was the vets and who had long caeers back then. Niggas was falling off left and right. It was a few that was still doing it from the 80s. But back then it was about what was going on in the moment. You can't tell me KRS 1 was bigger than Wu in 94. Or LL was hotter than Big or Meth in 94. Hip hop was a what have you done for me now movement back then. Niggas was calling Big and Nas king of Ny back then. Jay said it in 96. All you needed to be considered the best was a classic album that year.

Are you speaking from memory or is your post conjecture?

If we did a Nas vs Kendrick poll right now who would win?

And don't say things have changed. Things are the same now as they were then. Teenagers had fickle taste, but people in their twenties and thirties still appreciated the veterans.

Things have definitely change. Niggas not even rapping anymore.They mumbling. They wearing girl clothes. Niggas didn't have 10 to 15 album discography back then. You couldn't just put out music for the world and get on like now. Hip-hop was considered a fade back then. It wasn't getting Grammy's or MTV awards. Most rappers had a 2 to 3 album life span if they was lucky. It was no independent route. You was independent trying to get on. Not independent as a career. Rakim wasn't hot in 94. People still want him to do music. But he was on hiatus. And when he came back he was never the same. Nas is still hot. In the 90s you had classics dropping left and right. It's not like that now. Shit done totally changed.

In the late 80s/early 90s you had classics dropping left and right. You just don't remember.

You say Rakim wasn't hot in 94 and people still wanted him to do music but he was on hiatus. Then in the very next sentence you say "Nas is still hot" but he hasn't released an album since 2012. That's 5 years ago.

Nas been on other people shit. He had stuff out there. People make Nas mixtape up. Back then you didn't have that. Rakim wasn't doing nothing. People thought it was over gor him. You like KRS 1. Remember that song Out of here. That what life was for the average Mc. You Redhead Kingpin, Father MC, Grand Daddy IU and countless others. And we wasn't talking about the 80s having classics. We were talking about how thing change from the 90 to now.


The irony of you posting a song by KRS One to prove your point
 
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Damn hip-hop was loaded

I'd say krs, redman, kane, kool g rap, LL
 
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

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NY's commercial resurgence is 90% attributed to Big/Bad Boy's rise. Juicy, and one more chance were inescapable. You know that nigga was on fire when you listened to flavor in ya ear and forgot it was craig mack's song.
 
Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but in on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

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Or

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Well in that case, what album is a bigger seller in 2017?

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Kool-G-Rap.jpg


If you say Kool G Rap is outselling Drake you're a liar, but I prefer Kool G Rap.

Edit.

Also, if you asked anybody who was better in 1994, Big Daddy Kane vs Notorious BIG, you'd look like an idiot if you said Biggie was better. It would seem like you didn't know anything about Hip Hop.

People who were really into the culture would say Big Daddy Kane was better even though his best days were behind him.
 
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5 Grand;c-9799095 said:
power_wisdom;c-9799008 said:
5 Grand;c-9798948 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798900 said:
5 Grand;c-9798881 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798862 said:
5 Grand;c-9798830 said:
power_wisdom;c-9798614 said:
5 Grand;c-9798480 said:
za'kiss;c-9798418 said:
1. Rakim

2. Kool G. Rap

3. Scarface

4. Redman

5. Ice Cube

Obviously Nas, Big, and everyone else dropped in '94, but I'm giving a realistic list based on a real top 5 before all the careers of those GOATs took off, otherwise my top 5 from '95 wouldn't look much different form how it looks now.

Yeah, thats what I'm getting at. Big, Nas and Pac hadn't reached their apex. Big only had 1 album and so did Nas. And the material Pac had released up to that point wouldn't have put him in anybody's top 5. His best work came later.

Anyway, here's my list

1. Melle Mel

2. Rakim

3. KRS One

4. Ice Cube

5. LL Cool J

^^^ Those guys had full careers and solid discographies by 1995.

By 95 Big and Nas where looked at as the kings of NY. You have to remember a rapper career was short back then. Rapper made an album or 2 and fall off. In 95 out of your 5, Kris and Cube was still talked about. LL too, but nobody was saying he was the best. Rappers didn't even want to rap past 30. The genre was still very young.

We're talking New Years Eve 1994. Nobody was calling Big or Nas anything yet. They both had good albums, but think of Kendrick. After GKMC nobody was calling him top 5 DOA.

Biggie had a big summer in 1995. He released the One More Chance (Remix), Flavor In Your Ear (Remix), Players Anthem, Can't You See by Total and Mr Cee's The Best Of Biggie mixtape that had Real Niggaz Do Real Things and The Wickedest Freestyle. But as of New Years 1994 none of those songs had been released yet. Biggie really just had one album.

Nas only had one album, Verbal Intercourse wasn't even out yet.

Your saying that a rappers career was short back then but that simply isn't true. KRS had 7 albums by that point (8 if you count the live album) LL had 5 albums, Cube had 4 albums (6 if you count Straight Outta Compton and the Kill At Will EP), Rakim had 4 albums by that point.

I was 21 in 1994. I remember those conversations. Rakim was still considered the standard for an ill MC. Backpackers liked Rakim and KRS. People who weren't backpackers liked Ice Cube. Girls liked LL Cool J.

Nas, Jay, 2Pac and Biggie were just getting started.

In 94, kane and Rakim wasn't really on the scene like that. Their popularity was fading. Illmatic and Ready to die was the biggest things to hit that year. Those was some of the albums to bring it home to the East. Snoop was the biggest thing popping before that. It wasn't really about who was the vets and who had long caeers back then. Niggas was falling off left and right. It was a few that was still doing it from the 80s. But back then it was about what was going on in the moment. You can't tell me KRS 1 was bigger than Wu in 94. Or LL was hotter than Big or Meth in 94. Hip hop was a what have you done for me now movement back then. Niggas was calling Big and Nas king of Ny back then. Jay said it in 96. All you needed to be considered the best was a classic album that year.

Are you speaking from memory or is your post conjecture?

If we did a Nas vs Kendrick poll right now who would win?

And don't say things have changed. Things are the same now as they were then. Teenagers had fickle taste, but people in their twenties and thirties still appreciated the veterans.

Things have definitely change. Niggas not even rapping anymore.They mumbling. They wearing girl clothes. Niggas didn't have 10 to 15 album discography back then. You couldn't just put out music for the world and get on like now. Hip-hop was considered a fade back then. It wasn't getting Grammy's or MTV awards. Most rappers had a 2 to 3 album life span if they was lucky. It was no independent route. You was independent trying to get on. Not independent as a career. Rakim wasn't hot in 94. People still want him to do music. But he was on hiatus. And when he came back he was never the same. Nas is still hot. In the 90s you had classics dropping left and right. It's not like that now. Shit done totally changed.

In the late 80s/early 90s you had classics dropping left and right. You just don't remember.

You say Rakim wasn't hot in 94 and people still wanted him to do music but he was on hiatus. Then in the very next sentence you say "Nas is still hot" but he hasn't released an album since 2012. That's 5 years ago.

Nas been on other people shit. He had stuff out there. People make Nas mixtape up. Back then you didn't have that. Rakim wasn't doing nothing. People thought it was over gor him. You like KRS 1. Remember that song Out of here. That what life was for the average Mc. You Redhead Kingpin, Father MC, Grand Daddy IU and countless others. And we wasn't talking about the 80s having classics. We were talking about how thing change from the 90 to now.


The irony of you posting a song by KRS One to prove your point


I guess you either didn't comprehend my post or listen to the song. 80s rappers were falling off for the most part in the 90s. 90% of the rappers from the 80s fell off by the 90s. You had a few from 87-89 that was still on. But by KRS mouth most had fell off. At least 50% of the rappers in the 90s are still rapping. In 94 it was really only KRS doing it. LL was doing it, but in 93 on up the new rappers was shining.
 
5 Grand;c-9799135 said:
Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but in on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

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Or

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Well in that case, what album is a bigger seller in 2017?

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Kool-G-Rap.jpg


If you say Kool G Rap is outselling Drake you're a liar, but I prefer Kool G Rap.

Edit.

Also, if you asked anybody who was better in 1994, Big Daddy Kane vs Notorious BIG, you'd look like an idiot if you said Biggie was better. It would seem like you didn't know anything about Hip Hop.

People who were really into the culture would say Big Daddy Kane was better even though his best days were behind him.


Built 4 cuban linx;c-9799152 said:
By 1995, biggie released the GOAT album... So it's him

@"Built 4 cuban linx" ... Exactly... @5grand ... You are full of shit...
 


Matike85;c-9799165 said:
5 Grand;c-9799135 said:
Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but in on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

kicecjknqoz3.png


Or

419tnmnl7bih.png


lemsmyhg92u5.gif


Well in that case, what album is a bigger seller in 2017?

R-9999158-1489919635-6869.jpeg.jpg


Kool-G-Rap.jpg


If you say Kool G Rap is outselling Drake you're a liar, but I prefer Kool G Rap.

Edit.

Also, if you asked anybody who was better in 1994, Big Daddy Kane vs Notorious BIG, you'd look like an idiot if you said Biggie was better. It would seem like you didn't know anything about Hip Hop.

People who were really into the culture would say Big Daddy Kane was better even though his best days were behind him.


Built 4 cuban linx;c-9799152 said:
By 1995, biggie released the GOAT album... So it's him

@"Built 4 cuban linx" ... Exactly... @5grand ... You are full of shit...


And if funny that you bring up Drake because BDK was making New Jack Swing rap records that close to R&B at that time was not selling... But Biggie was making hardcore rap for the east coast resurgence and was selling... because the WEST COAST was New standard for Hip Hop by 1995...and People was calling Biggie the King of New York... But BDK is a 80's rap legend right? Most 80's rap legend had no longevity by 1995...STOP IT with the Lies

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5 Grand;c-9799135 said:
Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but in on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

kicecjknqoz3.png


Or

419tnmnl7bih.png


lemsmyhg92u5.gif


Well in that case, what album is a bigger seller in 2017?

R-9999158-1489919635-6869.jpeg.jpg


Kool-G-Rap.jpg


If you say Kool G Rap is outselling Drake you're a liar, but I prefer Kool G Rap.

Edit.

Also, if you asked anybody who was better in 1994, Big Daddy Kane vs Notorious BIG, you'd look like an idiot if you said Biggie was better. It would seem like you didn't know anything about Hip Hop.

People who were really into the culture would say Big Daddy Kane was better even though his best days were behind him.


What the fuck are you talking about? Kane career as a top Mc was over by 95. Nobody talked about that Kane album. It was all about Big and Nas. The Kane and Rakim era was over. They wasn't as popular or hot in the streets as Big and Nas. People said they fell off in the 90s. I like G Rap better than Drake too. But I be a damn fool to say G Rap is hotter than Drake in 2017. And I don't even fuck with Drake music. He may have a better album than Drake, but he not as popular. Nas on the other hand still sell records and still make noise when he drop music. So yes I can put him agaist Drake or Kendrick, cause the streets going show up to support Nas.
 
I was 21 in 1994. When me and my friends discussed Hip Hop it was understood that Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J were the GOATS because they had SEVERAL classic albums under their belts. Also Public Enemy. In order to dethrone Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J you would have to release SEVERAL classic albums to be in the conversation..

One 5 mic album doesn't make you the GOAT of anything.

By 1997 2Pac and Big had released enough material to compare them to KRS, Rakim, Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Biggie had Ready To Die, Life After Death, which was a double album plus the Junior Mafia album and a handful of posse jams, collaborations and remixes to put him in the conversation. Plus his unreleased work from No Way Out. 2Pac had enough material to put him in the conversation.

If you don't understand that 1 album doesn't make you The GOAT then you're either really dense or just playing dumb.

In fact, when I was in high school (87-91) Run DMC were still considered the Kings of Hip Hop. Not because of any new material they released but because of their 3 album run between 84-86. If you wanted to dethrone Run DMC you would need 3 classic albums, which Public Enemy eventually did but it took a while.

Now, in 2017 most people would agree that Public Enemy > Run DMC but in 1987 they had only released 1 album so you'd look silly comparing Public Enemy to Run DMC.

Just like now in 2017 you'd look silly comparing J Cole or Kendrick to Jay Z and Nas.

My point is that in 1994 Nas and Big were still on their first album so the jury was still deliberating.
 
power_wisdom;c-9799223 said:
5 Grand;c-9799135 said:
Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but in on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

kicecjknqoz3.png


Or

419tnmnl7bih.png


lemsmyhg92u5.gif


Well in that case, what album is a bigger seller in 2017?

R-9999158-1489919635-6869.jpeg.jpg


Kool-G-Rap.jpg


If you say Kool G Rap is outselling Drake you're a liar, but I prefer Kool G Rap.

Edit.

Also, if you asked anybody who was better in 1994, Big Daddy Kane vs Notorious BIG, you'd look like an idiot if you said Biggie was better. It would seem like you didn't know anything about Hip Hop.

People who were really into the culture would say Big Daddy Kane was better even though his best days were behind him.


What the fuck are you talking about? Kane career as a top Mc was over by 95. Nobody talked about that Kane album. It was all about Big and Nas. The Kane and Rakim era was over. They wasn't as popular or hot in the streets as Big and Nas. People said they fell off in the 90s. I like G Rap better than Drake too. But I be a damn fool to say G Rap is hotter than Drake in 2017. And I don't even fuck with Drake music. He may have a better album than Drake, but he not as popular. Nas on the other hand still sell records and still make noise when he drop music. So yes I can put him agaist Drake or Kendrick, cause the streets going show up to support Nas.


Exactly... Niggas like Nas and Biggie and others still have more avenues and opportunities to still have impact on the Hip Hop Culture with music because they have more opportunities than 80's rap legends

Niggas like BDK washed and was trying to keep up with the times by 1995 and 1996 and this video prove it.. Most people was not talking about no 80's Rap Legends as Top 5 by 1995...


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up to the end of '94?

1. Rakim

2. KRS ONE

3. Big Daddy Kane

4. Kool G Rap

5. The D.O.C.

6. Slick Rick

7. MC Lyte

8. Ice Cube

9. MC Ren

10. LL Cool J.

in that order.
 
5 Grand;c-9799252 said:
I was 21 in 1994. When me and my friends discussed Hip Hop it was understood that Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J were the GOATS because they had SEVERAL classic albums under their belts. Also Public Enemy. In order to dethrone Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J you would have to release SEVERAL classic albums to be in the conversation..

One 5 mic album doesn't make you the GOAT of anything.

By 1997 2Pac and Big had released enough material to compare them to KRS, Rakim, Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Biggie had Ready To Die, Life After Death, which was a double album plus the Junior Mafia album and a handful of posse jams, collaborations and remixes to put him in the conversation. Plus his unreleased work from No Way Out. 2Pac had enough material to put him in the conversation.

If you don't understand that 1 album doesn't make you The GOAT then you're either really dense or just playing dumb.

In fact, when I was in high school (87-91) Run DMC were still considered the Kings of Hip Hop. Not because of any new material they released but because of their 3 album run between 84-86. If you wanted to dethrone Run DMC you would need 3 classic albums, which Public Enemy eventually did but it took a while.

Now, in 2017 most people would agree that Public Enemy > Run DMC but in 1987 they had only released 1 album so you'd look silly comparing Public Enemy to Run DMC.

Just like now in 2017 you'd look silly comparing J Cole or Kendrick to Jay Z and Nas.

My point is that in 1994 Nas and Big were still on their first album so the jury was still deliberating.

It wasn't like that back then. And you know it. In 94 you had about 13 years of rap history . You had a hand full of artist from the 80s that still rapped in the 90s. You didn't have a deep history. The crown was worn by the best rapper at that moment. You didn't have people saying I only listen to 80s rap. Hip-hop wasn't easily accessible. By your logic Meth and Busta wasn't the hottest feature to have because the didn't have albums at that time. It wasn't about having deep discography. It was about what you was doing at that moment. Because wasn't nothing promised. The rappers like Nas and Big was as good if not better than Kane and Rakim. So when they stop making music, it was a natural transition. Rap was also more competitive. You had to be hot to keep you spot. Hip hop is so weak now, the Legends could put out albums with no promotions and still get love, because the music is weak.
 
5 Grand;c-9799252 said:
I was 21 in 1994. When me and my friends discussed Hip Hop it was understood that Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J were the GOATS because they had SEVERAL classic albums under their belts. Also Public Enemy. In order to dethrone Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J you would have to release SEVERAL classic albums to be in the conversation..

One 5 mic album doesn't make you the GOAT of anything.

By 1997 2Pac and Big had released enough material to compare them to KRS, Rakim, Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Biggie had Ready To Die, Life After Death, which was a double album plus the Junior Mafia album and a handful of posse jams, collaborations and remixes to put him in the conversation. Plus his unreleased work from No Way Out. 2Pac had enough material to put him in the conversation.

If you don't understand that 1 album doesn't make you The GOAT then you're either really dense or just playing dumb.

In fact, when I was in high school (87-91) Run DMC were still considered the Kings of Hip Hop. Not because of any new material they released but because of their 3 album run between 84-86. If you wanted to dethrone Run DMC you would need 3 classic albums, which Public Enemy eventually did but it took a while.

Now, in 2017 most people would agree that Public Enemy > Run DMC but in 1987 they had only released 1 album so you'd look silly comparing Public Enemy to Run DMC.

Just like now in 2017 you'd look silly comparing J Cole or Kendrick to Jay Z and Nas.

My point is that in 1994 Nas and Big were still on their first album so the jury was still deliberating.

Stop it was the Lies... Slick Rick was arguably concerned the GOAT off of this one major label album record alone...Old Heads like you killed me... Because the Jay Z to the Migos like offset pay homage to Slick Rick ...

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Matike85;c-9799126 said:
5 Grand;c-9799089 said:
And here comes the Ether


How many of you Old Heads now but on September 13, 1994 was talking about or buying which album? And remember back then there was only bootlegs No Downloads... so you had to make a purchase for an album... Which albums was y'all jamming too the most... Because if you say BDK album you are a LAIR... end of the discussion and this thread should close.

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Or

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Neither.

To this day I haven't bought either of them. On that day in 1994 I was still rockin MC Eiht's "We Come Strapped" and Common's "Resurrection" was on the upcoming release board behind the counter of every record store I went to so I was holding out for that. Plus, Paris, Scarface, Digable Planets, and a few others had upcoming releases that I was checking for more than Biggie and damned sure more than BDK.
 
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power_wisdom;c-9799314 said:
5 Grand;c-9799252 said:
I was 21 in 1994. When me and my friends discussed Hip Hop it was understood that Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J were the GOATS because they had SEVERAL classic albums under their belts. Also Public Enemy. In order to dethrone Rakim, KRS, Ice Cube and LL Cool J you would have to release SEVERAL classic albums to be in the conversation..

One 5 mic album doesn't make you the GOAT of anything.

By 1997 2Pac and Big had released enough material to compare them to KRS, Rakim, Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Biggie had Ready To Die, Life After Death, which was a double album plus the Junior Mafia album and a handful of posse jams, collaborations and remixes to put him in the conversation. Plus his unreleased work from No Way Out. 2Pac had enough material to put him in the conversation.

If you don't understand that 1 album doesn't make you The GOAT then you're either really dense or just playing dumb.

In fact, when I was in high school (87-91) Run DMC were still considered the Kings of Hip Hop. Not because of any new material they released but because of their 3 album run between 84-86. If you wanted to dethrone Run DMC you would need 3 classic albums, which Public Enemy eventually did but it took a while.

Now, in 2017 most people would agree that Public Enemy > Run DMC but in 1987 they had only released 1 album so you'd look silly comparing Public Enemy to Run DMC.

Just like now in 2017 you'd look silly comparing J Cole or Kendrick to Jay Z and Nas.

My point is that in 1994 Nas and Big were still on their first album so the jury was still deliberating.

It wasn't like that back then. And you know it. In 94 you had about 13 years of rap history . You had a hand full of artist from the 80s that still rapped in the 90s. You didn't have a deep history. The crown was worn by the best rapper at that moment. You didn't have people saying I only listen to 80s rap. Hip-hop wasn't easily accessible. By your logic Meth and Busta wasn't the hottest feature to have because the didn't have albums at that time. It wasn't about having deep discography. It was about what you was doing at that moment. Because wasn't nothing promised. The rappers like Nas and Big was as good if not better than Kane and Rakim. So when they stop making music, it was a natural transition. Rap was also more competitive. You had to be hot to keep you spot. Hip hop is so weak now, the Legends could put out albums with no promotions and still get love, because the music is weak.

That simply isn't true. Your making up your argument as you go along. You're throwing statements to the wall hoping they stick.

In 1994 KRS was on his 7th album

LL Cool J was on his 5th album, Big Daddy Kane was on his 5th album,

Rakim had 4 albums, Ice Cube had (at least) 4 albums.

Public Enemy had 4 albums, Gang Starr had 4 albums

Kool G Rap had 3 albums. A Tribe Called Quest had 3 albums, De La Soul had 3 albums.

You guys are saying that rappers didn't have deep discographies but that simply isn't true. People who were in their twenties in 1994 remember the 1980s vividly. We weren't kids in the 80s, we were teenagers. We used to go to dances and the DJ would play the hottest shit at the time which was Rakim, Kane, KRS, LL Cool J, etc.

In 1994 Redman had two albums

Snoop had 1 album and the album he did with Dr Dre.

Method Man had 1 album and the Wu Tang Album

Nas had 1 album

Biggie had 1 album

Are you guys really saying that in 1994 people were dismissing KRS, LL Cool J, Rakim, and Ice Cube (also Too $hort, Chuck D, Q-Tip and Guru) and saying that Nas and Biggie were the Greatest Rappers Of All Time? Off 1 album?

Really?

Think how stupid that sounds.
 
konceptjones;c-9799274 said:
up to the end of '94?

1. Rakim

2. KRS ONE

3. Big Daddy Kane

4. Kool G Rap

5. The D.O.C.

6. Slick Rick

7. MC Lyte

8. Ice Cube

9. MC Ren

10. LL Cool J.

in that order.

This list makes sense
 

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