What Should We Do In Order To Stop Police Abuse But in a Progressive Way?

[Plutarch]

Truths that I think that We Should Understand and Accept

1. Cops are regular ass people like you and me. They're not special. If you were put in the same position that they were in, you shouldn't be surprised if you find yourself doing some of the same bullshit that they do. It's a brutal, blue-collar job that most people can't even understand or imagine let alone experience.

2. Good cops do exist. Whether they're a minority or a majority is another matter, but what's certain is that they're overshadowed or weeded out by the bad ones.

3. A cop who is an asshole isn't necessarily a bad cop. As long as he can do his job without fucking other people over. Cops aren't saints, so don't expect them to be.

 

[Plutarch]

Solutions that Are Not Progressive

1. Killing cops. Shouldn't this be self-explanatory?

2. Street Justice. Not everyone can afford to abide by street law. And not everybody is from the streets. Besides, if you're not street, and you don't fuck with the police, then you just end up getting fucked by street niggas instead of the police. You're getting fucked either way. Whole neighborhoods have been run into the dirt by local gangs because they refuse to fuck with the police (though mostly for justified reasons).

3. Vigilante Justice. If you fight street gangs and the police, you will lose.

 

[Plutarch]

Solutions that Are Progressive

1. Know your damn rights people! I can't stress how important this is. Spend at least 10 minutes surfing this article and website - ACLU: Know Your Rights: What To Do If You're Stopped By Police, Immigration Agents or the FBI. And when the police runs up on you, shut your damn mouth. Don't say a word. Exercise your right to remain silent, or you will end up incriminating yourself.

2. Tougher punishments for bad cops. Cops get away with their bullshit. It's obvious that they need to be punished like any other civilian would. And civilians do not need to be specially punished for crimes against the police. A crime against a police officer should not hold a heavier punishment than the same crime against a civilian. The whole police fraternity culture still needs to abide by law.

3. Tougher qualifications in order to be a police officer? If you've ever watched Cocaine Cowboys, you'll remember that Miami had a cocaine problem in the 80s, but they had an inadequate number of cops, so they lowered the qualifications needed in order to be a cop so that they could flood their police force. Turns out that those new cops were worse than the Colombians and Cubans gangsters. A whole graduating class of cops had eventually been imprisoned or suspended for various crimes.

Let's remember that cops are just like us. They basically come from the same pool of society that we and criminals reside. But if we make it harder to become a cop, then that weeds out a lot of the bad cops. Cops are regular people like you and me, but their job entitles that they be held to a higher standard right? They have way too much power and responsibility. Psycopaths are attracted to becoming cops because of that power just like pedophiles are attracted to becoming boyscout leaders and Disney World employees because of the close proximity to children, but we don't have a big problem with teachers becoming pedophiles because teachers are held to a higher standard. We might even need to increase police salary as well to reflect such a change.

The only problem though is that, in turn, we might get a far less number of police officers who might be out-numbered and out-manned by their demands.

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

Have rallies and non violent movements. Like I said in my thread. http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...iolence-we-need-more-anti-violence-rallies/p1

 

[7figz]

Truths that I think that We Should Understand and Accept

1. Cops are regular ass people like you and me. They're not special. If you were put in the same position that they were in, you shouldn't be surprised if you find yourself doing some of the same bullshit that they do. It's a brutal, blue-collar job that most people can't even understand or imagine let alone experience.

2. Good cops do exist. Whether they're a minority or a majority is another matter, but what's certain is that they're overshadowed or weeded out by the bad ones.

3. A cop who is an asshole isn't necessarily a bad cop. As long as he can do his job without fucking other people over. Cops aren't saints, so don't expect them to be.

#3 is some bullshit. If a cop can't be professional in his duties, they shouldn't be a cop.

This is part of the problem. If you want to about talk being progressive, you can't accept their failure to do their jobs properly under the guise of "they're only human".

All of your points seem to be dismissive of the bad cops out here. I don't see the "good cops" suffering at the hand of the "bad cops". I see the normal people everywhere suffering at the hands of most cops and a growing number of bad cops everyday so let's stop with the "good cop" shit because it's irrelevant.

Progressive would be holding each and every one of those pigs accountable for being abusive, including the ones who know about their fellow pigs doing fucked up shit and don't do anything to stop them.

 

[playmaker88]

You cant.

 

[gns]

U want progression then u X out the most progressive method. Smh, foh

 

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[jono]

Unbelievable me & @Plutarch‌ agree virtually 100% on this.

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

It's sad that the only people with discipline is the military. I like how cops go around and say they show discipline, but fuck up other families lives. Then, they want us to feel bad when one of their own gets off'ed. However, when it's a victim's family they bring up that the person is victimizing the department (NYPD & others) and other shit.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way. (this may be far off point but local/district councilmen play a part into this situation. I'm not sure how it is around other parts of the country but here we vote district leaders into office...now if someone that's running comes around asking for the vote and that's pretty much the only time you see them, they get into office and in that same district/area an officer comes and beats the shit outta a resident or does a wrongful thing in the community, that elected official is no where to be found to speak up about the situation. Someone has to hold these bad officers accountable for their actions...and I'm speaking on mayors as well but again it's too much politics involve when you start going higher up in the ranks and asking those in higher ranks to do things..

The mayor or that councilmen is buddy buddy with the sheriff or chief of police of that local department..so alot of things are overlooked off the strength of that..it's too much of a buddy buddy system when officials are elected..I say that because those ppl have voices and sit on these panels/sessions but yet pass over the topic of police brutality whenever it's brought up..I see it happen everyday down here..

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way. (this may be far off point but local/district councilmen play a part into this situation. I'm not sure how it is around other parts of the country but here we vote district leaders into office...now if someone that's running comes around asking for the vote and that's pretty much the only time you see them, they get into office and in that same district/area an officer comes and beats the shit outta a resident or does a wrongful thing in the community, that elected official is no where to be found to speak up about the situation. Someone has to hold these bad officers accountable for their actions...and I'm speaking on mayors as well but again it's too much politics involve when you start going higher up in the ranks and asking those in higher ranks to do things..

The mayor or that councilmen is buddy buddy with the sheriff or chief of police of that local department..so alot of things are overlooked off the strength of that..it's too much of a buddy buddy system when officials are elected..I say that because those ppl have voices and sit on these panels/sessions but yet pass over the topic of police brutality whenever it's brought up..I see it happen everyday down here..

If you have no money you have no say.

 

[AZTG]

I aint read the thread yet. But do what the black panthers did. Have an armed force going up and down the street. Cop pulls someone over? They would go and listen in on the situation. They would let the cop do his or her job and not interfere. They would just make sure the cop doesnt get disrespectful and doesnt step all over the rights of the person pulled over.

The cops on the otherhand, once they see an armed force of 3 people, would make sure to not over step his bounds.

The cops are here too protect whites from minorities, so you cant expect them to respect or protect you.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way. (this may be far off point but local/district councilmen play a part into this situation. I'm not sure how it is around other parts of the country but here we vote district leaders into office...now if someone that's running comes around asking for the vote and that's pretty much the only time you see them, they get into office and in that same district/area an officer comes and beats the shit outta a resident or does a wrongful thing in the community, that elected official is no where to be found to speak up about the situation. Someone has to hold these bad officers accountable for their actions...and I'm speaking on mayors as well but again it's too much politics involve when you start going higher up in the ranks and asking those in higher ranks to do things..

The mayor or that councilmen is buddy buddy with the sheriff or chief of police of that local department..so alot of things are overlooked off the strength of that..it's too much of a buddy buddy system when officials are elected..I say that because those ppl have voices and sit on these panels/sessions but yet pass over the topic of police brutality whenever it's brought up..I see it happen everyday down here..

If you have no money you have no say.

The ppl with the most money get to say the least shit

The ppl with the least money get to say the most shit

What money have to do when all I have to do is cast a vote to put a person in office who will address my issues and actually do it

 

[Plutarch]

Have rallies and non violent movements. Like I said in my thread. http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...iolence-we-need-more-anti-violence-rallies/p1

Agreed. People sleep so much on nonviolence. Gandhi and MLK, to say the least, did so much just with nonviolence. It's takes more strength to not act out violently. Violence, on the other hand, is easy and primitive. And stupid. Violence should always be a last resort. And we're not there yet.

 

[Knock_Twice]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

I think pigs should be elected by the people they are supposed to serve.

But isn't that how it is...

Don't the ppl elect the sheriffs and chief of police

 

[Say What]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

I think pigs should be elected by the people they are supposed to serve.

People don't vote for local politics you think they will keep coming to vote every time an officer is fired or retires. They hire people for that and you can possibly have an elected official on the board but not open to the people.

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

Have rallies and non violent movements. Like I said in my thread. http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...iolence-we-need-more-anti-violence-rallies/p1

Agreed. People sleep so much on nonviolence. Gandhi and MLK, to say the least, did so much just with nonviolence. It's takes more strength to not act out violently. Violence, on the other hand, is easy and primitive. And stupid. Violence should always be a last resort. And we're not there yet.

Very true, and I think we need more Black celebs and speakers to speak on it. In my opinion, we need more anti-violence rallies. Especially, in Detroit and Chicago plus Compton too because lots of minorities are there.

 

[BlackCat]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

This won't work. I had first hand experience. It's already in their head to think like that once they put on that uniform. How we see them won't change shit