the hebrew Israelites,jews , and zionists exposed

[lostsamuraisotaku]

Following his marriage to Nefertiti, Amenhotep III decided to make Amenhotep his co-regent which upset the priests of Amun. The conflict between Amenhotep III and the priests had started sixteen years earlier as a result of his marriage to Tiye, an Israelite, daughter of Yuya and Tuya. During his reign, Nefertiti was active in supporting her husband, Amenhotep, and was more prominently seen at official occasions as well as on all monuments. However, the climate of hostility that surrounded Amenhotep at the time of his birth surfaced again after his appointment as CO-regent On joining his father on the throne Amenhotep became Amenhotep IV. The Amun priesthood opposed this appointment, and openly challenged Amenhotep III's decision.

When the priests of Amun objected to his appointment, the young CO-regent responded by building temples to his new God, Aten. He built three temples for Aten: one at the back end of the Karnak complex, another at Luxor near the Nile bank, and the third at Memphis. Amenhotep lV snubbed the Amun priests by not inviting them to any of the festivities in the early part of his co-regency and, in his fourth year, when he celebrated his bed festival jubilee, he banned all deities but his own God from the occasion. Twelve months later he made a further break with tradition by changing his name to Akhenaten in honor of his new deity. To the resentful Egyptian establishment, Aten was seen as a challenger who would replace the powerful State god, Amun, not falling under his domination. In the tense climate that prevailed, Tiye arranged a compromise by persuading her son to leave Thebes and establish a new capital at Amarna in Middle Egypt, on the east bank of the Nile.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

Following the death of his father, Amenhotep III, in Akhenaten's Year 12, he organized a great celebration at Amarna for foreign princes bearing tribute because of his assumption to sole rule. Akhenaten and Nefertiti appeared to receive the tribute of foreign missions coming from Syria, Palestine, Nubia, and the Mediterranean islands, who offered them their gifts. It was at that time the king decided to abolish the worship of all gods in Egypt—except Aten.

Akhenaten gave orders to his troops, instructing them to close all the temples, confiscate their estates, and sack the priests, leaving only Aten's temples throughout the country. Units were dispatched to excise the names of the ancient gods wherever they were found written or engraved, a course that can only have created mounting new opposition to his already rejected authority. This persecution, which entailed the closing of the temples, the confiscation of property, the dispatch of artisans who hacked out the names of the deities from inscriptions, the banishment of the clergy, and the excommunication of Amun's name, was supervised by the army. Each time a squad of workmen entered a temple or tomb to destroy the name of Amun, it was supported by a squad of soldiers who came to see that the royal decree was carried out without opposition.

The persecution of the old gods, however, proved to be hateful to the majority of Egyptians, including the members of the army. Ultimately, the harshness of the persecution had a certain reaction upon the soldiers who, themselves, had been raised in the old beliefs. After all, the officers and soldiers themselves believed in the same gods whose images the king ordered them to destroy; they worshipped in the very temples that they were ordered to close. A conflict arose between the king and his army. Horemheb, Pa-Ramses, and Seti planned a military coup against the king, and ordered their troops from the north and south to move toward Amarna. When the army and chariots came face to face at Amarna's borders, Aye advised the king to abdicate the throne to his son, Tutankhaten, in order to save the dynasty and avoid a wholesale defection and perhaps even a civil war. Akhenaten agreed to abdicate and left Amarna with Pa-Nehesy, the high priest of Aten, and a few of his followers, to live in exile in the area of Sarabit El-Khadem in southern Sinai. When Tutankhaten took the throne, he changed his name to Tutankhamun to appease the priesthood of the powerful State god Amun. He did not, however, renounce the Atenist religion of his father.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

The root of the name Moses is in the Egyptian word Mos which means "child." But this word also had a wider legal meaning—"the rightful son and heir." As it was punishable by death to mention Akhenaten's name after his banishment, a code name was established through which his followers could refer to him. Therefore they called him MOs, the son, to indicate that he was the legitimate son of Amenhotep III and the rightful heir to his father's throne. The ancient Egyptian language had no written vowels, although the vowels were pronounced. The written word meaning a child or son consisted of two consonants, m and s, It is therefore easy to see that the Hebrew word, Moses, was derived from the Egyptian, Mos. The final 's' of Moses derives from the Greek translation of the biblical name.

Following his abdication, Akhenaten/Moses lived with his followers in exile in southern Sinai for about twenty-five years, during the reigns of Tutankhamun, Aye, and Horemheb. Here, Akhenaten/Moses lived among the Shasu (Midianites) Bedouins with whom he formed an alliance. On hearing of Horemheb's death, Akhenaten/Moses decided to leave his exile in Sinai and come back to Egypt, in order to reclaim his throne.

In his rough Bedouin clothes, Akhenaten/Moses arrived with his allies at General Pa-Ramses' residence in the border city of Zarw, his birthplace, which had now been turned into a prison for his followers. Pa-Ramses, by now an old man, was making arrangements for his coronation and getting ready to become the first ruler of a new 19th Ramesside dynasty when he was informed of Akhenaten/Moses arrival.

Akhenaten/Moses challenged Pa-Ramses' right to the throne. The general, taken by surprise, decided to call a meeting of the wise men of Egypt to decide between them. At the gathering, Akhenaten/Moses produced his scepter of royal power, which he had taken with him to exile, and performed secret rituals that only the king could have had knowledge of. Once they saw the scepter of royal authority and Akhenaten/Moses' performance of the rituals, the wise men fell down in adoration in front of him and declared him to be the legitimate king of Egypt. Pa-Ramses, however, who was in control of the army, used his power to frustrate the verdict of the priests and elders and retained the right to rule by force—a coup d'etat.

General Pa-Ramses ascended to the Egyptain throne as Ramses I, the first Pharoah of the 19th dynasty. Left with no choice but to flee from Egypt with his followers—the Israelites and Egyptians who embraced the Atenist faith—Akhenaten/Moses began the Exodus toward the Sinai via the marshy area to the south of Zarw and north of Lake Temsah, as this watery route would hinder the pursuit of Egyptian chariots. After a time Akhenaten/Moses then marched north toward Gaza and attempted to storm the city with his Shasu allies. Seti I, son of Ramses, led an army against Akhenaten/Moses, the Israelites, and the Shasu, and defeated them, with great slaughter, at many locations on the Horus Road as well as central Sinai.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

THOUGH WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD IT IS ONLY LATER THAT THE IN THEIR HATE OF THE REAL EGYPTIANS THESE DESCENDANTS OF THE INVADERS RECONSTRUCTED THE STORY AND MADE THE NATIVE EGYPTIANS THE AGGRESSORS AND CONSTRUCTED AN ANACHRONISTIC STORY OF MOSES AND THE EXODUS WHICH I HAVE DEBUNKED HERE IN R&R TIME AND TIME AGAIN

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

the rabbit hole goes much deeper but insha this helps feel free to ask questions

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

 

[bambu]

This thesis was promoted by Freud's Moses and Monotheism. The glaring flaws in these unwise statements stem from the fact that Akanaten's rule was between1353–1336 BC[2] or 1351–1334 BC(Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt).....

While Seti I ruled circa 1290–1279 BC (19th Dynasty).... Ramesses I between1292–1290 BC or 1295–1294 BC, 19th Dynasty

Pa-Ramses ascended to the Egyptain throne with favor from Horemheb, the last pharaoh of the tumultuous Eighteenth dynasty, who appointed the former as his Vizier.

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients....

 

[bambu]

A list of possible Pharaohs from the Exodus..... Good Luck!!!

Who was the pharaoh of the Exodus?

Ahmose I

The Tempest Stele was erected by the Pharaoh Ahmose I (orthodox dates1570-1546 BC) the founder of dynasty Eighteen and the New Kingdom. The stele describes the great storm that struck Egypt during his reign. 'now then ... the gods declared their discontent. The gods [caused] the sky to come in a tempest of r[ain], with darkness in the western region and the sky being unleashed without [cessation, louder than] the cries of the masses, more powerful than [...], [while the rain raged] on the mountains louder than the noise of the cataract which is at Elephantine.'

Proponents further suggest that the phrase "his Majesty began ...to provide them with silver, with gold, with copper, with oil, and of every bolt [of cloth] that could be desired. Then his majesty made himself comfortable inside the palace" refers to Pharaoh giving Moses the material to build the ark. Thus, Moses becomes a Hyksos leader accepting goods from the Egyptian Pharaoh as part of a deal which would result in the Hyksos leaving Egypt. Manetho alleges that the Theban Pharaoh laid siege to Avaris (the Hyksos capital) and the outcome was a treaty by which the Hyksos agreed to leave Egypt. Manetho also confirms that the Hyksos settled in Jerusalem!

This puts a rather different slant on the biblical description of "bondage in Egypt". The Hyksos invaded Egypt and held power in northern (lower) Egypt for over a hundred years (according to Manetho) and even sacked Memphis around 1720BC (orthodox dates). They were eventually forced from the country by a rival line of Kings from Thebes. Thus the put upon "slaves" become an invading power and any monuments they built were for their own kingdom. Furthermore, the Hyksos kings placed their names in cartouche and adopted Seth as their pre-eminent god. While his warlike attributes have something in common with the bloodthirsty god of Moses, worship of the Egyptian god Seth could hardly be considered Monotheistic.

The biblical plagues have often been dismissed as being far too late to name Ahmose I as the Pharaoh of the exodus, but proponents argue that the dates currently accepted for the exodus are too late in any case. Some commentators have argued that there was in fact 585 years from the founding of Solomon's Temple back to the Exodus, giving a date of 1552.

Akhenaten

Manetho tells the story of Osarseph, a rebellious Egyptian priest, Pharaoh Amenhotep and his son "Ramesses also called Sethos" (of the New Kingdom). Apparently, Osarseph took control of Egypt for thirteen years. He defiled the temples and terrorised the people. Pharaoh fled from Egypt to protect his infant son, but the son returned to Egypt and threw Osarseph out of Egypt. According to Josephus, Manetho believed that Osarseph was Moses, and many have pointed to the similarity between these events and the rule of Akhenaten. Akhenaten certainly rejected the gods and imposed a form of Monotheism.

However, Josephus also quotes an alternative Egyptian historian, Chaeremon, He also identifies the rebel priest with Moses, but names him 'Tisathen'. He also claims that there was a co-conspirator named Peteseph who he considered to be Joseph! This doesn't sound much like Akhenaten who only really shared power with his wife. In any case, there is plenty of evidence that the beginning of Akhenaten's rule was fairly normal and that he was the direct successor of his father, the Pharaoh Amenhotep III. Furthermore, neither account refers to Smenkhare, or Tutankhamun and the return to Thebes.

Ramesses I

 

[bambu]

Some commentators have argued that to the story of Osarseph's rebellion should be placed during the co-regency of Ramesses I and Seti I during the New Kingdom. They propose that there was a counter-revolution when Akhenaten died. Horemheb persecuted the followers of Akhenaten and destroyed his monuments. When Horemheb died, Osarseph/Moses returned to Egypt, to lead the rebellion, against Horemheb's successor Ramesses I. Like Horemheb, Ramesses was general in the army and had no royal blood. He ruled for only two years before passing power to his son Seti I.

If the bible is correct to state that Moses an adopted member of the royal household, then he may have had a tenuous claim to the throne. The fact that Akhenaten has been written out of Egyptian history (he is notably absent from the kings lists written during the reigns of Seti I and Ramesses II) seems consistent with this view, but little else from the reign of Ramesses I would support this tale which does seem rather unlikley. The story is probably based almost entirely on the view that Akhenaten was the first known monotheist, but that view is to simplify both the theology of Akhenaten and to stretch the facts to their limit as no evidence for any counter rebellion.

Tuthmosis III or Hatshepsut

When Thera exploded it effectively destroyed the Minoan civilisation and caused huge tidal waves and a huge pillar of black smoke. Many commentators have noted that the ten plagues of Egypt can be explained with reference to the environmental effects of such a huge volcanic eruption. The eruption is estimated (by carbon dating and supporting environmental evidence from a number of sites around the world) to have occurred around 1640 BC. So who was the pharaoh when Thera exploded?

Some have suggested that the New Kingdom Tuthmosis III may have been in control of Egypt at this time (or may have still been sharing power with Hatshepsut). It is noted that he led armies between the Bitter Lakes into Canaan (possibly The route taken by Moses) and a section of text carved on the outside of Hatshepsut's temple of Speos Artemidos has been reinterpreted by one Egyptologist to contain a reference to the erruption of Thera. However, the campaigns of Tuthmosis III in Caanan were highly successful. Furthermore, there was no sucessional difficulty with his son who maintained Egyptian power in that area. It is hard to see the Israelites escaping him as he plundered the area (unless this is the reason for hiding in the desert for forty years).

The Minoans imported a copper-calcium-silicate pigment called Egyptian blue to paint frescoes. Therefore we know that the two cultures had trading links.In the tomb of Senemut (architect and vizier to Hatshepsut) there is a scene depicting men wearing short patterned kilts carrying Late Minoan 1A pottery vases. While, in the tomb of Rekhmire (a viziers of Thuthmosis III) a man carries a piece of Late Minoan 1B pottery. The figure is wearing a longer kilt, associated with the later phase of Minoan culture. It is during this phase that Thera erupted.

This causes a major problems for the dating system as Thuthmosis is general considered to have reigned between about 1504 and 1450 BC, not 1640BC.

Even if the date could be reconciled, the details of his reign don't really fit too well. Queen Hatshepsut ruled Egypt after the death of her husband, Tuthmose II. Her step-son, Thutmose III was her co-regent for some time, and took the throne on her death. At some point in his rule, he seems to have ordered her name to be purged from all her monuments. Despite the apparent acrimony between them, Hatshepsut was a powerful and able ruler, and Tuthmosis inherited a prosperous nation from her. He became famous as a strong warrior-pharaoh who plundered the very area that the Israelites were fleeing to.

However, there is some limited classical support lining Tuthmosis and Moses. According to Josephus, Moses was his general in a campaign against the Ethiopians. It is argued by some that Tuthmose took the credit for these victories. However, this is not historically accurate. Tuthmose takes credit for his extensive campaigns in Asia (including Megiddio, Kadesh and Gaza). Moses apparently returned from the military campaign, took an Ethiopian wife, and then demanded that his people be freed.

Seti II

The route chosen by the escaping Israelites, from Piramesse to Tjeku (biblical Succoth: Exodus 12:37) and eastwards, was precisely the same that was used by two escaping slaves of the late 13th century BC, during the reign of Seti II as reported in Papyrus Anastasi V.

Egyptian mythology

Moses performed Egyptian magic tricks (such as turning a snake into a rod and back again) and the parting of the sea is highly reminiscent of a similar trick recorded during the reign of the pharaoh Sneferu.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

This thesis was promoted by Freud's Moses and Monotheism. The glaring flaws in these unwise statements stem from the fact that Akanaten's rule was between1353–1336 BC[2] or 1351–1334 BC(Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt).....

While Seti I ruled circa 1290–1279 BC (19th Dynasty).... Ramesses I between1292–1290 BC or 1295–1294 BC, 19th Dynasty

Pa-Ramses ascended to the Egyptain throne with favor from Horemheb, the last pharaoh of the tumultuous Eighteenth dynasty, who appointed the former as his Vizier.

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients....

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

This thesis was promoted by Freud's Moses and Monotheism. The glaring flaws in these unwise statements stem from the fact that Akanaten's rule was between1353–1336 BC[2] or 1351–1334 BC(Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt).....

While Seti I ruled circa 1290–1279 BC (19th Dynasty).... Ramesses I between1292–1290 BC or 1295–1294 BC, 19th Dynasty

Pa-Ramses ascended to the Egyptain throne with favor from Horemheb, the last pharaoh of the tumultuous Eighteenth dynasty, who appointed the former as his Vizier.

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients....

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

This thesis was promoted by Freud's Moses and Monotheism. The glaring flaws in these unwise statements stem from the fact that Akanaten's rule was between1353–1336 BC[2] or 1351–1334 BC(Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt).....

While Seti I ruled circa 1290–1279 BC (19th Dynasty).... Ramesses I between1292–1290 BC or 1295–1294 BC, 19th Dynasty

Pa-Ramses ascended to the Egyptain throne with favor from Horemheb, the last pharaoh of the tumultuous Eighteenth dynasty, who appointed the former as his Vizier.

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

 

[bambu]

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

its a matter of speculation how he died yes but not how he lived and thats the fountain head of the exaltation your alacrity to scrutinize "European sources " is only adulatory this is not an anecdotal response to biblical ideas we dont do "microwave scholarship" beloved on the record to set the record straight but i think i see what your doing here please do carry on ...

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

not to mention you posted source material with NO citation you obviously copy and pasted that i did indirectly draw from freuds work but not entirely infact most of it is not

 

[edwardnigma]

Moses wasn't Akhenaten.

Moses is a story based heavily on the Life of Thutmosis III.

Army General born of unroyal blood, raised in the house of Pharoah. Taught the secrets of Millitary and fought the famous war of Armageddon.

The Bible is synonomous with alot of events that Occurred during the 18th Dynasty.

Akhenaten has parrallels to moses and Jesus as well. As far as attacking and destroying the temples.

Akhenaten didn't come up with Monotheism....His father Amenhotep III was also known for worshipping the Aten, as well as his own father whom i think was Thutmosis III or IV.

Akhenaten is famous because he was trying to put an end to the Priest Rulership. He also wasn't allowing Idol worship which was basically what everyone was doing for a while, worshipping idols. It made him known as Heretic, whom they had to get out of there.

Davids Psalms is basically a rewrite of Akhenatens Hymm to Aten.

Like I said before, the bible is not a Historical book, it's a book based on Historical events and people.

Simialar to how 8 mile or the 50 cent movies are based on their lives but certain things have been changed, names and events.

 

[bambu]

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

not to mention you posted source material with NO citation you obviously copy and pasted that i did indirectly draw from freuds work but not entirely infact most of it is not

Copy & paste?????

I did copy and paste some info on the possibility of various pharaohs connected to the Exodus.

However, I am not making a claim to debunk the Hebrew Israelites, jews , and zionists. I have nothing to hide....ancientegyptonline.co.uk/exodus.html

I see you also did a little copy and pasting......

Moses and Akhenaten

one and the same person By Ahmed Osman......

grahamhancock.com/forum/osman_moses.php?p=3

Borderline plagiarism......

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients..................

 

[waterproof]

Lost samurai is just starting shit again just liked in that other thread when he try to start shit and lie that gentiles can't be saved and try stir up shit, he aint righteous at all, brother judahxulu exposed his ass and debunk his way of thinking and lies many if time. Talking about he's a rabbi, shiek and iman that is a nile valley muslim, what type of shit is that. And he know damn well the hyskos ain't hebrews. They are from shem but they ain't hebrews

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

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lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

not to mention you posted source material with NO citation you obviously copy and pasted that i did indirectly draw from freuds work but not entirely infact most of it is not

Copy & paste?????

I did copy and paste some info on the possibility of various pharaohs connected to the Exodus.

However, I am not making a claim to debunk the Hebrew Israelites, jews , and zionists. I have nothing to hide....ancientegyptonline.co.uk/exodus.html

I see you also did a little copy and pasting......

Moses and Akhenaten

one and the same person By Ahmed Osman......

grahamhancock.com/forum/osman_moses.php?p=3

Borderline plagiarism......

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients..................

i did not plagiarise my dear brother i have no need too with bible enthusiasts if your the only one with an idea about the bible it cannot be true so you see its advantageous for me to invoke sources so why woul d i plagairize ? i dont claim to have written that part of the caveat though please do excuse me for not invoking where i got it from its a very old article i had from quite a while ago bro ahmed osman wrote a beautiful caveat that i encourage all to enjoy bismillah ar rahman ir rahim insha this helps salam u alykum wa ramahtulahi wa barakatuhu

 

[bambu]

.................

lol ^ your putting great emphasis on something that doesent alternate the analysis remotely , careful when you draw your sword of critique its a matter of speculation how ankhnaten died i will admit that just like i would have before you posted this comment

It is a matter of speculation brother...

are you suggesting that the exodus actually happened ? careful how you respond your responding to a rabbi

LOL....

i know all the information you posted thank you for your comment

Pretty strong claims when aware of all the evidence, but I think I see what you are doing.......

Carry on..............

not to mention you posted source material with NO citation you obviously copy and pasted that i did indirectly draw from freuds work but not entirely infact most of it is not

Copy & paste?????

I did copy and paste some info on the possibility of various pharaohs connected to the Exodus.

However, I am not making a claim to debunk the Hebrew Israelites, jews , and zionists. I have nothing to hide....ancientegyptonline.co.uk/exodus.html

I see you also did a little copy and pasting......

Moses and Akhenaten

one and the same person By Ahmed Osman......

grahamhancock.com/forum/osman_moses.php?p=3

Borderline plagiarism......

Careful you must be when employing European interpretations of the ancients..................

i did not plagiarise my dear brother i have no need too with bible enthusiasts if your the only one with an idea about the bible it cannot be true so you see its advantageous for me to invoke sources so why woul d i plagairize ? i dont claim to have written that part of the caveat though please do excuse me for not invoking where i got it from its a very old article i had from quite a while ago bro ahmed osman wrote a beautiful caveat that i encourage all to enjoy bismillah ar rahman ir rahim insha this helps salam u alykum wa ramahtulahi wa barakatuhu