Syria news: Rebel coalition begins push to take Aleppo

[Swiffness!]

None of this is real. The CIA is faking ISIS and Syria with holograms & photoshop. Wake up sheeple

 

[Allah_U_Akbar]

Sounds like a great country to raise a family.

 

[The_Jackal]

I really wish I could understand exactly why the United Nations exist. The League of Nations was a complete failure and the United doesn't look any better.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

I really wish I could understand exactly why the United Nations exist. The League of Nations was a complete failure and the United doesn't look any better.

Cosign

When the UN doesn't send troops I'm like why the fuck do they exist

But when they send troops and all you hear about is their troops sexualy abusing civilians/looting I think the same shit

 

[The_Jackal]

I really wish I could understand exactly why the United Nations exist. The League of Nations was a complete failure and the United doesn't look any better.

Cosign

When the UN doesn't send troops I'm like why the fuck do they exist

But when they send troops and all you hear about is their troops sexualy abusing civilians/looting I think the same shit

The thing is that by not allowing them to atleast do peace keeping missions you destroy the farce of them actually being a competent force that ultimately has no loyalty to any country.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

I really wish I could understand exactly why the United Nations exist. The League of Nations was a complete failure and the United doesn't look any better.

Cosign

When the UN doesn't send troops I'm like why the fuck do they exist

But when they send troops and all you hear about is their troops sexualy abusing civilians/looting I think the same shit

The thing is that by not allowing them to atleast do peace keeping missions you destroy the farce of them actually being a competent force that ultimately has no loyalty to any country.

I agree, we at least need that idea in play even if the reality is something different

 

[janklow]

I really wish I could understand exactly why the United Nations exist. The League of Nations was a complete failure and the United doesn't look any better.

honestly, it's a good concept. but the nature of human beings magnifies its failings.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Isaiah 17. Amen.

 

[kingblaze84]

With ISIS losing territory in Syria, and Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and Russia bombing the living hell of out the rebel positions, the rebels are beyond screwed. But they got enough firepower to keep the war alive for probably another 3-4 years. They're fighting a lost cause at this point but their motivation is deep.

America can't stop Russia and Iran from helping Assad, and America deep down wants Assad or his regime to stay in charge. Assad is gonna have the last laugh. He technically has it now.

 

[AZTG]

At this point the rebels are fighting only to have some power at the negotiation table. Issue is, right now Assad has so much power he says he isnt willing to negotiate.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

At this point the rebels are fighting only to have some power at the negotiation table. Issue is, right now Assad has so much power he says he isnt willing to negotiate.

If the government is pushed away from Aleppo, he will change his tune.

Inshallah the rebels will be outside the gates of Damascus before they agree to even discuss anything.

All of the innocent who have died shouldn't die on vain

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

Back in 2009 I was planning on going to Turkey, Syria and Israel (I have dual citizenship so I was gonna go into Syria on my non-US passport).

However, my father came down with cancer and I went to go see him back in the old country. Had to cancel my plans cuz I was out there for a minute.

I was lucky enough to go to Israel in 2011, but I have no idea when I'll make it to Turkey now

There may not even be a Syria anymore by the time I make it there

 

[AZTG]

You can make it to Turkey in a few months. Just wait until the fallout from the coup is done and you will be ok.

When it comes to Syria? Yea stay out. Wait until the war is over, and the people had a chance to reconcile a bit.

Imo, the best solution for Syria is a federal system like Iraq, but hopefully a more functional one. Have the Kurds in the North, Sunni Arabs in the South and west, and the Alevites on the coast. Few issues with this and itll be hard to do but its possible to do.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

You can make it to Turkey in a few months. Just wait until the fallout from the coup is done and you will be ok.

When it comes to Syria? Yea stay out. Wait until the war is over, and the people had a chance to reconcile a bit.

Imo, the best solution for Syria is a federal system like Iraq, but hopefully a more functional one. Have the Kurds in the North, Sunni Arabs in the South and west, and the Alevites on the coast. Few issues with this and itll be hard to do but its possible to do.

I can see the province of Latakia and the area around it becoming it's own country if the government takes a strategic defeat. Sadly, Bashar Al Assad's sectarian agenda will screw over (and has screwed over) his own people's chances at reconciliation. Between the rape, looting (anyone can look up the phrase shuk al-sunni and be horrified) and widespread extralegal executions by the Alawite militias, shabiha and troops, I don't see much of a chance at cooperation.

Not to mention the Kurds are pursuing a completely different political course than the Arab Sunnis in Rojava. Sadly, I feel like a full war between Kurds and Arabs is possible, either concurrently or following a government defeat.

Im hoping the political friction dies down in Turkey, but I'm not how popular Americans will be with the authorities if Gullen stays here.

 

[AZTG]

You can make it to Turkey in a few months. Just wait until the fallout from the coup is done and you will be ok.

When it comes to Syria? Yea stay out. Wait until the war is over, and the people had a chance to reconcile a bit.

Imo, the best solution for Syria is a federal system like Iraq, but hopefully a more functional one. Have the Kurds in the North, Sunni Arabs in the South and west, and the Alevites on the coast. Few issues with this and itll be hard to do but its possible to do.

I can see the province of Latakia and the area around it becoming it's own country if the government takes a strategic defeat. Sadly, Bashar Al Assad's sectarian agenda will screw over (and has screwed over) his own people's chances at reconciliation. Between the rape, looting (anyone can look up the phrase shuk al-sunni and be horrified) and widespread extralegal executions by the Alawite militias, shabiha and troops, I don't see much of a chance at cooperation.

Not to mention the Kurds are pursuing a completely different political course than the Arab Sunnis in Rojava. Sadly, I feel like a full war between Kurds and Arabs is possible, either concurrently or following a government defeat.

Im hoping the political friction dies down in Turkey, but I'm not how popular Americans will be with the authorities if Gullen stays here.

Americans will never be liked in Turkey. Turkey has blamed America for its problems for decades.

And about Rojava, I see Assad and the YPG going to full out war once the fight against ISIS and the rebels is finished. I can also see Turkey supporting Assad staying in power as long as he goes to war with the Kurds. Either way, the problems arent stopping any time soon.

 

[AZTG]

See this shit? Assads forces just bombed YPG positions for the first time in 5 years. And a new front in the Syrian Civil War begins. Haha. I swear i think trump is right when he says we should just nuke them all and start over.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

See this shit? Assads forces just bombed YPG positions for the first time in 5 years. And a new front in the Syrian Civil War begins. Haha. I swear i think trump is right when he says we should just nuke them all and start over.

Lol lost me at the bolded. But I'm not surprised that the YPG is getting bombed.

Erdogan just met with the Iranian Foreign Ambassador about creating closer ties

This is probably the cost of Turkish support, as the government wants anything but an autonomous Kurdish political entity

 

[AZTG]

See this shit? Assads forces just bombed YPG positions for the first time in 5 years. And a new front in the Syrian Civil War begins. Haha. I swear i think trump is right when he says we should just nuke them all and start over.

Lol lost me at the bolded. But I'm not surprised that the YPG is getting bombed.

Erdogan just met with the Iranian Foreign Ambassador about creating closer ties

This is probably the cost of Turkish support, as the government wants anything but an autonomous Kurdish political entity

But you see what makes this so interesting? If Turkey works with Iran and Syria at this point it means that Turkey is falling in line with Russias vission. With Syria, Iran and Iraq under Russian influence, and Turkey atleast buying in, Russias influence in the middle east grows exponentially. If this leads to the war ending soon, itll give Iran room to modernize its army now that the sanctions are lifted. Funny how American Foreign Policy after 9-11 basically handed Russia the middle east. Until 9-11, Russia has no chance in the middle east because the middle east was all about religion, and communists equalled athiests so that was impossible.

Now the interesting part, only way the US could stop this from happening is 1. Promise Turkey they stop helping the Kurds if Turkey cuts off Russian influence. I dont see how this happens though. Erdogan fought for years against US influence in deep parts of his govt and finally got rid of a big chunk. Plus Russias sanctions on Turkey really hurt the economy. The 2nd thing the US could do is support the Kurds and build a base of influence there. The issue is the whole middle east doesnt like the Kurds, so the influence will stop right there, but the US might not have a choice. Along with the Kurds, the US probably wants to topple Assad and put a puppey govt in place real bad right now, but there is not a single candidate to put in place of Assad. Any rebel govt the US supports has a higher chance of being Islamic Extremists then moderites and the percentages are very lop sides and not close. Not saying there arent moderate rebels, but their influence is very low.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

^ The US is going to have to support the Kurds regardless, mostly because of their influence in Iraq. Without Kurdish support, there is no more unified Iraq and concentrated flow of oil.

I agree that we have no suitable Arab puppet to replace Assad. And it would have to be an Arab: either a Shia with Sunni support (don't know if that exists in the mid East right now) or a secular Sunni who is willing to include minority groups in the government.

But like you said, any secular Sunni group is allied with the Wahhabis/Takfiris due to the extestential threat to the Sunni communities in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon as well.

The Kurds might be the best bet until the field of potential rulers thins, but then that means we would have to turn our backs and snake the Kurds at some point (again).

On a site note, I might have to say fuck it and change the thread title to HVC and AZTG discuss the mid east hahahaha