So who made the deal with the Devil?

[Bodhi]

Dmx

"I sold my soul to the devil! And the price was cheap!"

-- DMX

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

U asking dangerous questions folk....best not mind those kind of things and keep watching ur tv and focus on going to the plantat....i mean work....

You will be fine.....

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." (Matthew 4:8-11)

No surprise here.... Jesus resisted the temptation and refused the deal right? But isn't probable the Devil approached someone else with the same proposal in which they accepted the deal, and that it just isn't recorded in scripture??Assuming so, and looking at the world today, who do you think signed on that line?

An innumerable amount of people have made a deal with the enemy. He deceives the whole world and thus he has ensnared a multitude of souls in his web of deceit.

But thanks be to God that He has come to set the captives free! Now all those who come to God, by faith, have been delivered from the tricks of the enemy! No longer are we ignorant of his devices, but God has given the faithful the mind of Christ, so that we can resist the devil in order that he will flee. Hallelujah!

 

[Rock_Well]

Dmx

"I sold my soul to the devil! And the price was cheap!"

-- DMX

lol sells his soul to the devil but doesn't get the kingdoms smh

 

[Rock_Well]

U asking dangerous questions folk....best not mind those kind of things and keep watching ur tv and focus on going to the plantat....i mean work....

You will be fine.....

I see what u did there..Lol..but I rly dont think we can ever know. Unless someone come in here with some scripture that shows it.

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." (Matthew 4:8-11)

No surprise here.... Jesus resisted the temptation and refused the deal right? But isn't probable the Devil approached someone else with the same proposal in which they accepted the deal, and that it just isn't recorded in scripture??Assuming so, and looking at the world today, who do you think signed on that line?

An innumerable amount of people have made a deal with the enemy. He deceives the whole world and thus he has ensnared a multitude of souls in his web of deceit.

But thanks be to God that He has come to set the captives free! Now all those who come to God, by faith, have been delivered from the tricks of the enemy! No longer are we ignorant of his devices, but God has given the faithful the mind of Christ, so that we can resist the devil in order that he will flee. Hallelujah!

i agree and assume by 'made a deal' u mean, 'ate of the forbidden fruit'...same deal proposed to Adam and Eve - eat and u will become like God, knowing right from wrong. in a symbolic sense, we all ate from the forbidden fruit. but in the forbidden fruit temptation/ proposal, it was no mention of being given all the kingdoms of the world.

The question im askin is specific to the same temptation Jesus faced - the temptation of being offered all the kingdoms of the world. My thing is if we can figure out who today has all thr kingdoms, then we can conclude who is doing the majority of the enemy work.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

U asking dangerous questions folk....best not mind those kind of things and keep watching ur tv and focus on going to the plantat....i mean work....

You will be fine.....

I see what u did there..Lol..but I rly dont think we can ever know. Unless someone come in here with some scripture that shows it.

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." (Matthew 4:8-11)

No surprise here.... Jesus resisted the temptation and refused the deal right? But isn't probable the Devil approached someone else with the same proposal in which they accepted the deal, and that it just isn't recorded in scripture??Assuming so, and looking at the world today, who do you think signed on that line?

An innumerable amount of people have made a deal with the enemy. He deceives the whole world and thus he has ensnared a multitude of souls in his web of deceit.

But thanks be to God that He has come to set the captives free! Now all those who come to God, by faith, have been delivered from the tricks of the enemy! No longer are we ignorant of his devices, but God has given the faithful the mind of Christ, so that we can resist the devil in order that he will flee. Hallelujah!

i agree and assume by 'made a deal' u mean, 'ate of the forbidden fruit'...same deal proposed to Adam and Eve - eat and u will become like God, knowing right from wrong. in a symbolic sense, we all ate from the forbidden fruit. but in the forbidden fruit temptation/ proposal, it was no mention of being given all the kingdoms of the world.

The question im askin is specific to the same temptation Jesus faced - the temptation of being offered all the kingdoms of the world. My thing is if we can figure out who today has all thr kingdoms, then we can conclude who is doing the majority of the enemy work.

Oh ok I get what your saying. Who do you have in mind?

 

[Bodhi]

Isn't Jesus the "king of kings" or, as DoYou puts it, the "king/ruler of the universe"?

If any of that were true, he'd be the true ruler of all kingdoms.. making him the culprit.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God is and will always be the Sovereign ruler of the universe. But God also delegated man to have rule/dominion over the earth.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26

God in His sovereignty blessed man to rule. But because mankind rebelled against God, by disobediance to His command, mankind lost rule/dominion over the earth. Mankinds rule was forfeited to satan and thus he became the ruler of this world.

That is why when Jesus Christ was tempted by the devil, satan offered him all the kingdoms of this world. Jesus Christ didn't object to satan actually having possession of the kingdoms of the world, because he did. He rejected the awful temptation of bowing down to the creature he created in order to gain back the kingdoms of this world. Hallelujah!

Thus, you have the story of the Bible. The redemption of fallen man by the precious blood of Jesus Christ and the coming eternal kingdom of the King of the universe, where all things will be made new! Praise God forever and ever!

 

[Bodhi]

So if jesus refused the offer to rule the kingdoms of the earth, he's not the king of the universe because the earth is a part of the universe. And he's not the king of kings because he doesn't rule all kingdoms.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

So if jesus refused the offer to rule the kingdoms of the earth, he's not the king of the universe because the earth is a part of the universe. And he's not the king of kings because he doesn't rule all kingdoms.

You are uninformed my friend. God is still the sovereign, thus He rules over all. The kingdoms of this world was given to man, but was forfeited to Satan after the fall in the Garden. Thus Jesus Christ came into the world to reclaim what was rightfully His all along.

The serpent tempted Jesus to take back the kingdom by sinning. The serpent appealed to his humanity in that temptation. But because Jesus Christ is God, it was impossible for Him to sin and thus bow down to the creature He created. Thus, Jesus Christ trampled upon the devil in His humiliation (the cross) and in His resurrection crushed the devils head by reclaiming the kingdom.

Therefore when Jesus Christ returns at the last trumpet blast this is what will happen:

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15

Amen and Amen.

 

[Rock_Well]

U asking dangerous questions folk....best not mind those kind of things and keep watching ur tv and focus on going to the plantat....i mean work....

You will be fine.....

I see what u did there..Lol..but I rly dont think we can ever know. Unless someone come in here with some scripture that shows it.

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." (Matthew 4:8-11)

No surprise here.... Jesus resisted the temptation and refused the deal right? But isn't probable the Devil approached someone else with the same proposal in which they accepted the deal, and that it just isn't recorded in scripture??Assuming so, and looking at the world today, who do you think signed on that line?

An innumerable amount of people have made a deal with the enemy. He deceives the whole world and thus he has ensnared a multitude of souls in his web of deceit.

But thanks be to God that He has come to set the captives free! Now all those who come to God, by faith, have been delivered from the tricks of the enemy! No longer are we ignorant of his devices, but God has given the faithful the mind of Christ, so that we can resist the devil in order that he will flee. Hallelujah!

i agree and assume by 'made a deal' u mean, 'ate of the forbidden fruit'...same deal proposed to Adam and Eve - eat and u will become like God, knowing right from wrong. in a symbolic sense, we all ate from the forbidden fruit. but in the forbidden fruit temptation/ proposal, it was no mention of being given all the kingdoms of the world.

The question im askin is specific to the same temptation Jesus faced - the temptation of being offered all the kingdoms of the world. My thing is if we can figure out who today has all thr kingdoms, then we can conclude who is doing the majority of the enemy work.

Oh ok I get what your saying. Who do you have in mind?

if I believed in the illuminati as described by today standards I would probably would say it them.

 

[Rock_Well]

Isn't Jesus the "king of kings" or, as DoYou puts it, the "king/ruler of the universe"?

If any of that were true, he'd be the true ruler of all kingdoms.. making him the culprit.

u trying to say Jesus bowed down to Satan? Never saw that nowhere in scripture

 

[Ajackson17]

Isn't Jesus the "king of kings" or, as DoYou puts it, the "king/ruler of the universe"?

If any of that were true, he'd be the true ruler of all kingdoms.. making him the culprit.

u trying to say Jesus bowed down to Satan? Never saw that nowhere in scripture

He is saying if Man or Satan are the rulers or kings of the planet earth than he is not the complete ruler of the universe. Basically.

 

[Bodhi]

So if jesus refused the offer to rule the kingdoms of the earth, he's not the king of the universe because the earth is a part of the universe. And he's not the king of kings because he doesn't rule all kingdoms.

You are uninformed my friend. God is still the sovereign, thus He rules over all. The kingdoms of this world was given to man, but was forfeited to Satan after the fall in the Garden. Thus Jesus Christ came into the world to reclaim what was rightfully His all along.

The serpent tempted Jesus to take back the kingdom by sinning. The serpent appealed to his humanity in that temptation. But because Jesus Christ is God, it was impossible for Him to sin and thus bow down to the creature He created. Thus, Jesus Christ trampled upon the devil in His humiliation (the cross) and in His resurrection crushed the devils head by reclaiming the kingdom.

Therefore when Jesus Christ returns at the last trumpet blast this is what will happen:

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15

Amen and Amen.

Rightfully? How?

To my understanding, Adam handed over the world to Satan after he ate from the tree, this allowing sin into the world. It seems like that was a fair deal. Since Satan took over, the world no longer belonged to Adam or much less Jesus. Dying on the cross didn't give Jesus rule over the earth or else we wouldn't be living in "sin" today. Even the excerpt you've posted from the bible alludes to the idea that Jesus doesn't rule the earth. So that means he isn't the king of the universe.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

U asking dangerous questions folk....best not mind those kind of things and keep watching ur tv and focus on going to the plantat....i mean work....

You will be fine.....

I see what u did there..Lol..but I rly dont think we can ever know. Unless someone come in here with some scripture that shows it.

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." (Matthew 4:8-11)

No surprise here.... Jesus resisted the temptation and refused the deal right? But isn't probable the Devil approached someone else with the same proposal in which they accepted the deal, and that it just isn't recorded in scripture??Assuming so, and looking at the world today, who do you think signed on that line?

An innumerable amount of people have made a deal with the enemy. He deceives the whole world and thus he has ensnared a multitude of souls in his web of deceit.

But thanks be to God that He has come to set the captives free! Now all those who come to God, by faith, have been delivered from the tricks of the enemy! No longer are we ignorant of his devices, but God has given the faithful the mind of Christ, so that we can resist the devil in order that he will flee. Hallelujah!

i agree and assume by 'made a deal' u mean, 'ate of the forbidden fruit'...same deal proposed to Adam and Eve - eat and u will become like God, knowing right from wrong. in a symbolic sense, we all ate from the forbidden fruit. but in the forbidden fruit temptation/ proposal, it was no mention of being given all the kingdoms of the world.

The question im askin is specific to the same temptation Jesus faced - the temptation of being offered all the kingdoms of the world. My thing is if we can figure out who today has all thr kingdoms, then we can conclude who is doing the majority of the enemy work.

Oh ok I get what your saying. Who do you have in mind?

if I believed in the illuminati as described by today standards I would probably would say it them.

I see. they would definitely fit the bill.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

So if jesus refused the offer to rule the kingdoms of the earth, he's not the king of the universe because the earth is a part of the universe. And he's not the king of kings because he doesn't rule all kingdoms.

You are uninformed my friend. God is still the sovereign, thus He rules over all. The kingdoms of this world was given to man, but was forfeited to Satan after the fall in the Garden. Thus Jesus Christ came into the world to reclaim what was rightfully His all along.

The serpent tempted Jesus to take back the kingdom by sinning. The serpent appealed to his humanity in that temptation. But because Jesus Christ is God, it was impossible for Him to sin and thus bow down to the creature He created. Thus, Jesus Christ trampled upon the devil in His humiliation (the cross) and in His resurrection crushed the devils head by reclaiming the kingdom.

Therefore when Jesus Christ returns at the last trumpet blast this is what will happen:

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15

Amen and Amen.

Rightfully? How?

To my understanding, Adam handed over the world to Satan after he ate from the tree, this allowing sin into the world. It seems like that was a fair deal. Since Satan took over, the world no longer belonged to Adam or much less Jesus. Dying on the cross didn't give Jesus rule over the earth or else we wouldn't be living in "sin" today. Even the excerpt you've posted from the bible alludes to the idea that Jesus doesn't rule the earth. So that means he isn't the king of the universe.

When you are sovereign, you have the final say so. Thus when we look at the scriptures we see that all of creation is subject to the LORD. In the book of Job, we see that Satan has to come before God in order to get permission to do anything (read Job 1-2).

In the New Testament we get the same story. Jesus had this to say in regards to who is the Sovereign of the universe.



"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:" Luke 22:31

Again we see that Satan has to go to God in order to get permission to do anything. That means that God is the Sovereign. He is the ruler of the universe and all things are subject to Him, even the devil in his rebellion.

Even though man lost dominion over the earth to Satan, doesn't mean that God lost dominion over the creation He created. All things are working out according to Gods plan and purpose. He knows whats going to happen before it happens and all possible scenarios. Thus God is the ruler, point blank period. Amen.

 

[Bodhi]

If thats the case, Adam never REALLY ruled the earth and he never REALLY handed it over to Satan. Their "rule" doesnt really mean anything since God is supposedly the supreme ruler. If everything goes according to his will, their say so or input is really insignificant; actually, they have none at all.

And if God is the supreme ruler and in complete control and he is working things directly down to the minute detail, EVERYTHING that happens including molestation/rape and murder are according to his plan.

This means that God is not omnibenevolent. If Satan does evil things and he has to ask God first before he can do these things, that obviously means that God is allowing him to do evil when he has the option to just say "no, you can't do that. This is my kingdom; my universe.. and I rule here".

 

[Rock_Well]

Isn't Jesus the "king of kings" or, as DoYou puts it, the "king/ruler of the universe"?

If any of that were true, he'd be the true ruler of all kingdoms.. making him the culprit.

u trying to say Jesus bowed down to Satan? Never saw that nowhere in scripture

He is saying if Man or Satan are the rulers or kings of the planet earth than he is not the complete ruler of the universe. Basically.

but that cant be considering that script about Jesus being given all authority in heaven and on earth...i can't post it right now maybe DoU can quote it

 

[Black Boy King]

Isn't Jesus the "king of kings" or, as DoYou puts it, the "king/ruler of the universe"?

If any of that were true, he'd be the true ruler of all kingdoms.. making him the culprit.

u trying to say Jesus bowed down to Satan? Never saw that nowhere in scripture

He is saying if Man or Satan are the rulers or kings of the planet earth than he is not the complete ruler of the universe. Basically.

Do you even understand what you're saying?

So being Satan is the current ruler of Earth, Jesus can't rule the universe? Did he not prove His power over Satan by overcoming him when He came to Earth?

Have you ever heard of delegation of authority? It's how America is run.

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

If thats the case, Adam never REALLY ruled the earth and he never REALLY handed it over to Satan. Their "rule" doesnt really mean anything since God is supposedly the supreme ruler. If everything goes according to his will, their say so or input is really insignificant; actually, they have none at all.

And if God is the supreme ruler and in complete control and he is working things directly down to the minute detail, EVERYTHING that happens including molestation/rape and murder are according to his plan.

This means that God is not omnibenevolent. If Satan does evil things and he has to ask God first before he can do these things, that obviously means that God is allowing him to do evil when he has the option to just say "no, you can't do that. This is my kingdom; my universe.. and I rule here".

The Most High is holy and just. With you being a Daoist, I think you should be able to understand that in our carnal world, there has to be a balance of both precieved "good" and "bad". Now, the "bad" that is in the world is due to the original sins committed by Adam and Eve. Every human has to "Suffer" (which i'm sure you are familiar with) because we are the descendants of them. The curses place on man due to sin are genrerational as well due to the original instructions of the Most High. So every human is not "suffering" due to what they individually have done, but also what those who have come before them have.

The Most High allows things to happen to people based on reaped consequences. Any bad that befalls a human is the consequence of him judging actions performed by the individual themself or the foreparents. When he allows satan or demons to negativley impact anyones life, he is not the author of that evil.