Secular accounts & historical evidence on the existance of jesus

[alissowack]

These are good references, but it doesn't always guarantee that someone will believe in Jesus. Nowadays, people want to go the way of Thomas and actually "touch" Jesus. People want to come to their own assumptions about the evidence than being told what to believe about the evidence.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

These are good references, but it doesn't always guarantee that someone will believe in Jesus. Nowadays, people want to go the way of Thomas and actually "touch" Jesus. People want to come to their own assumptions about the evidence than being told what to believe about the evidence.

I know a man named Jesus in Nazarath was alive, I just dont see what made him the son of god, IMO he was a prophet, which doesnt mean he knew god just that he claimed to. The original testament spoke of the whole god sending his son ish and they made the story into Jesus Christ to fit the prophecy. There is historical evidence to say a Jesus did exist, outside of the bible though there is no proof he was some magical being or God's son. If God spoke to Moses, Im sure Moses would have let people know not to kill Jesus because he was the all holy..

 

[TX_Made713]

people want jesus to return a third time before they believe

 

[bless the child]

The prisoner that was let free in the place of Jesus name was also named Jesus. What I find interesting is that his name was Jesus "bar-Abbas" which in Aramic just so happens to mean "Son of the Father". Could there be some confusion on the part of who Jesus actually was? Could these stories of Jesus be greatly exaggerated? Jesus always supposedly referred to God as the "father", this guy Barrabbas just so happen to be named that. Jesus "son of the father". Do you find that interesting? Could there be some confusion when it comes to the translation? Some mythology mixed in with some true historic events?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Lol @ Ether, it doesnt say Jesus' name in the bible so to them none of those names matter, the only one who matters is the one you didnt mention.... Jesus of bullshitonia

 

[alissowack]

I know a man named Jesus in Nazarath was alive, I just dont see what made him the son of god, IMO he was a prophet, which doesnt mean he knew god just that he claimed to. The original testament spoke of the whole god sending his son ish and they made the story into Jesus Christ to fit the prophecy. There is historical evidence to say a Jesus did exist, outside of the bible though there is no proof he was some magical being or God's son. If God spoke to Moses, Im sure Moses would have let people know not to kill Jesus because he was the all holy..

That was the point of my response. There is historical evidence for Jesus, but it doesn't make a person surrender their lives to this person. People are looking for something more than that. However, I think this "show me" viewpoint does take away from why people believe in Jesus. The focus is on the miraculous though the Bible does say Jesus done the miraculous. If people believe in Jesus because he was just a miracle worker, a teacher, or a prophet then there are many people that can take his place.

 

[Dble Deez]

I can feel him... his love and presence has been more dominant in my life than any male or anything period. How do you total your car... walk away unharmed, see miracles happen from it and have it change your life stricly for the positive?How does sickness, weakness and feeling alone turn into the better if you just let him in. So glad I'm not so stubborn like I once was.. oh man God is great and his works surpass anything in this life.

 

[alissowack]

I can feel him... his love and presence has been more dominant in my life than any male or anything period. How do you total your car... walk away unharmed, see miracles happen from it and have it change your life stricly for the positive?How does sickness, weakness and feeling alone turn into the better if you just let him in. So glad I'm not so stubborn like I once was.. oh man God is great and his works surpass anything in this life.

I don't want to discourage you for I believe God can do the miraculous, but if all we want from God is a "feel good" experience, then there is a lot of reasons to not believe in Him. God is not trying to make bad people good or make people feel something. He is making dead (in spirit) people live.

 

[theillestrator]

Let's get that hot tub time machine and end this nonsense for good.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This thread is pretty pointless. Most people who doubt Jesus, don't doubt that a man by that name existed. They doubt his divinity and many of the things attributed to him.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

This thread is pretty pointless. Most people who doubt Jesus, don't doubt that a man by that name existed. They doubt his divinity and many of the things attributed to him.

During that time period there were about 20 different Jesus' mentioned through ancient texts in the same area as Jesus Christ would have been. There are Jesus' that have performed the miricals he has, so yea your right alot of us dont doubt Jesus existed, we just dont believe he was a magician.

As for me I think Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth w.e you want to call him was also real and the man they based it on, however I believe he was a con man who posed as a false prophet.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

During that time period there were about 20 different Jesus' mentioned through ancient texts in the same area as Jesus Christ would have been. There are Jesus' that have performed the miricals he has, so yea your right alot of us dont doubt Jesus existed, we just dont believe he was a magician.

As for me I think Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth w.e you want to call him was also real and the man they based it on, however I believe he was a con man who posed as a false prophet.

And you are of course just pulling that belief out of your ass to denigrate a religious figure. Even if you don't believe he's devine, there is no reason to accuse him of being a conman. If anything he was likely more like a Ghandi or MLK type figure, and over tiime was turned it to something else. Most historical accounts of him as a man came about years after his death, it's not unbelievable that hyperbole was added in before those things were put to paper. Anyways, as I've said before, you don't need to be a Christian to see the value in Christ's teachings. If a conman or false prophet can deliver the kind of message that he did, then we need more conmen and false prophets in the world.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

And you are of course just pulling that belief out of your ass to denigrate a religious figure. Even if you don't believe he's devine, there is no reason to accuse him of being a conman. If anything he was likely more like a Ghandi or MLK type figure, and over tiime was turned it to something else. Most historical accounts of him as a man came about years after his death, it's not unbelievable that hyperbole was added in before those things were put to paper. Anyways, as I've said before, you don't need to be a Christian to see the value in Christ's teachings. If a conman or false prophet can deliver the kind of message that he did, then we need more conmen and false prophets in the world.

Did he not con people into thinkin he was more? Yes he did thats a con-man. I never said he wasnt a great human being but people imo were tricked into thinking he was divine which i dont believe.

 

[garv]

Did he not con people into thinkin he was more? Yes he did thats a con-man. I never said he wasnt a great human being but people imo were tricked into thinking he was divine which i dont believe.

Where did he say this?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Where did he say this?

He said he wasnt a con man i explained why i thought he was a con man, can you not put 2 and 2 together?

 

[garv]

He said he wasnt a con man i explained why i thought he was a con man, can you not put 2 and 2 together?

How did he con people into thinking he was more?

 

[Smo-King Locs]

100 years from now niggaz will be going to the church of tupac and will still be awaiting his return,...

 

["A Tout le Mond]

Lol at this thread. If you believe then great, if you don't great. Why cant people be fine with others not believing?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Did he not con people into thinkin he was more? Yes he did thats a con-man. I never said he wasnt a great human being but people imo were tricked into thinking he was divine which i dont believe.

What proof do you have of him doing anything like that? Even if you look at the Bible, the books about Jesus aren't examples of him writing something to make people believe he's devine. They are accounts of people who witnessed Jesus' actions. It's a common thing for people to exaggerate occurences after the fact when telling a story. That doesn't reflect on the subject of the story. It's a reflection on the storyteller.