Obama supports the NY mosque

[Focal Point]

i think it sounds worse every time he clarifies the remarks. what was the problem with just saying "they have a right to build the center; stop basing your arguments on some anti-Muslim nonsense?"

kiss my vote goodbye in 2012, Obama!

that's it in a nutshell

 

[janklow]

You know, the things you get angry about surprise me every time.

i try to be unpredictable, but if it saves time, it can be boiled down to "janklow's annoyed with Obama again."

 

[elliott_argon]

^^
hypocritical opinion

 

[Darius]

i dont know what is to admire about support it

i do admire anyone who stands their ground and refuses to cave into public outraged, but i don't admire the thing it is he is standing up for.

 

[blatin35]

oh and Obama didn't retract shit about supporting the MOTHERFUCKING 1st Amendment. he just applied some CYA for those moderates that aren't on-board the wacko Outlaw Islam train, but personally think the mosque is in poor taste.

I didn't hear a retraction either....

 

[Swiffness!]

The new survey found that among the 57% of Americans with an opinion, 37% of Americans disapprove of the Democrat's mosque comments. Twenty percent support them. Another 41% said they don't yet know enough to have an opinion.

Two-thirds of Americans told Gallup they are paying a great deal or fair amount of attention to the mosque issue, which Gallup suggests is playing a role in Obama's overall approval this week falling to 41%, the lowest level of his 19-month presidency.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/was...osque-gallup-poll-disapprove-ground-zero.html



awwwwwwwwwww shit

 

[Maximus Rex]

You are proving my point you know that right? Or are you agreeing with me right now? I cant tell if you're actually arguing with me or agreeing with me in this post lol Cuz sometimes peopel argue with me but make points that actually prove mine and they dont realize it. Not being a smart ass I really am confused by your point.

What I was saying is that we supported Muslims against greater threats to regional stability. In the case of Bosnians we led a coalition force to safe them from genocide from a Christian nation.

ANd there we have it. THe typical "WHAT IF..." BS scenarios straight from Fox News and Bill Maher on occasion. First of all none of the shit you said was even plausible. And I can ask you this question in response which is more accurate and realistic than the question you asked.

How about if Mexico or Canada were had an Al Queda office in their capitials or Mexico and Canada allowed these groups to launch attacks from their countries. They would be invaded.

1. What if we provided weapons for the drug cartel's sworn enemy and allowed and or supported the enemy of the drug cartel every time they murder or bombed hundreds of our citizens at a time and lied and said, "hey we were just attacking the bad guys."

Would they be wrong to attack the ally of their enemy? OF COURSE NOT.

The sworned enemy of a drug cartel is another cartel or a the government of the country the cartel is in. We would never support one cartel over another.

And I see you said, "for some reason" as if you cant know the reason by doing a little research instead of relying on what you think is just "good ol' Amer-UCUN common sense" aka (Republican talking-point) that never got this country anywhere.

Research like what? Some un-American traitorous bullshit that says America is wrong in everything it does?

The biggest argument against your way of seeing things is...WE'VE BEEN TRYING YOUR WAY FOR THE PAST 20+YEARS IN OUR FOREIGN POLICY AND THE PAST 10 YEARS IN OUR DISASTROUS WAR. HELLLLO...IT'S NOT WORKING! What more do you need to see man? lol

The problem is we've been assin' with these people for thirty years and it's coming back to bite us in the ass.

Yeah because the USA has never been a two-faced Nation and lied to, decieved or mislead any other nation, tribe, race, village or people ever in times of war and hell, even peace.

Your high horse has some shaky arthritic legs man. I'd get off it.

What's your point. This country has done fucked things to people in it's history, but what country hasn't. We've done bad things, but at least we make an attempt to make amends for it.

 

[alvarez_313]

*wonders if there was this much opposition to any Christian churches being built in the general area of the Federal building in Oklahoma City.. Hmmmm... The saddest thing I see hear is that the vilification of the Islamic religion in the good ole U.S of A obviously has worked it's mojo on so many people.

 

[Reina B]

FACT CHECK: Islam already lives near ground zero

No mosque is going up at ground zero. The center would be established at 45-51 Park Place, just over two blocks from the northern edge of the sprawling, 16-acre World Trade Center site. Its location is roughly half a dozen normal lower Manhattan blocks from the site of the North Tower, the nearer of the two destroyed in the attacks.

The center's location, in a former Burlington Coat Factory store, is already used by the cleric for worship, drawing a spillover from the imam's former main place for prayers, the al-Farah mosque. That mosque, at 245 West Broadway, is about a dozen blocks north of the World Trade Center grounds.

Another, the Manhattan Mosque, stands five blocks from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site.

 

[Focal Point]

*wonders if there was this much opposition to any Christian churches being built in the general area of the Federal building in Oklahoma City.. Hmmmm... The saddest thing I see hear is that the vilification of the Islamic religion in the good ole U.S of A obviously has worked it's mojo on so many people.

*nods appreciatively*

 

[anthony7q]

They should divide the city into two districts. Christian and Muslim.

Similar to what they may do in the Sudan

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/07/10/113543.html

Northern and southern Sudanese leaders said on Saturday they would consider forming a confederation or a common market if southerners chose to declare independence in an upcoming referendum.

Citizens of the country's oil-producing south are six months away from a vote on whether to stay part of Sudan or split away as an independent state -- a plebiscite promised in a 2005 accord that ended decades of north-south civil war.

Or just create a Muslim district like Chinatown? I don't know of any city that has a designated Muslim/Arab area.

 

[LifezOriginal]

Fishy Fishy Fishy. World Trade Center? Check Mosque? Check First Amendment Cries? Check. Now watch them disassemble. Just as planned. You have to love religion.

 

[playmaker88]

*wonders if there was this much opposition to any Christian churches being built in the general area of the Federal building in Oklahoma City.. Hmmmm... The saddest thing I see hear is that the vilification of the Islamic religion in the good ole U.S of A obviously has worked it's mojo on so many people.

Exact same thing i said. props

 

[ckfree]

I don't see how one can compare 9/11 to Timothy McVeigh. He may have been nominally Christian/Catholic, but he did not bomb the Murrah Federal Building for his religion and did not spout 'God Is Great' before doing so

anyway, the issue is NOT whether the Muslims have a legal right to build their mosque. I don't think anybody is arguing that the Muslims have no right to build a mosque where they want to build it. NOBODY denies them that legal right.

cause if that was the case, any religion is offensive to me. Religion offend my sensitivities. Lets remove all 'Houses Of Worship' from the Lower Manhattan(within 20 miles from Ground Zero). Remove 'In God We Trust' from all government currency and coin. Remove it from the pledge of allegiance too.

death to any God !!

fair is fair

SMH

by the way, Obama needs to hire/fire a/his publicist

check the polls first!

 

[alvarez_313]

I don't see how one can compare 9/11 to Timothy McVeigh. He may have been nominally Christian/Catholic, but he did not bomb the Murrah Federal Building for his religion and did not spout 'God Is Great' before doing so

How do you know he didn't? How is one nominally chritian\catholic\muslim? What makes you say they attacked the WTC for their religion? Oh yeah because the media told you so.. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack and whether they screamed CHRIST HALLELUJAH or ALLAH AU AKBAR is irrelevent, so yes the Tim McVeigh attack although not as massive as 9/11 can in fact be compared.

 

[Swiffness!]

I don't think anybody is arguing that the Muslims have no right to build a mosque where they want to build it.

YES THEY ARE ARGUING THAT.

Vocal opponents of the 25,000-square-foot mosque proposed for 4 acres in the city's northeastern corner describe Islam not as a religion, but as a political movement bent on taking over the world and squelching freedom in favor of strict religious law.

Legal Guidelines for the Criminalization of Islam in the United States

“I learned that in 20 years with the rate of the birth population, we will be overtaken by Islam, and their goal is to get people in Congress and the Supreme Court to see that Shariah is implemented. My children and grandchildren will have to live under that.”

 

[shootemwon]

And this poll understates the issue at hand, because it's more like 30 percent who will still support the right to build a mosque anywhere that a church could be built once you bring up the so called "Ground Zero Mosque"

 

[shootemwon]

by the way, Obama needs to hire/fire a/his publicist

check the polls first!

lol @ the president having "a publicist". The Whitehouse has an entire fucking communications department, though I admit Gibbs is kind of wack.

But maybe he should hire you. This novel and new approach of checking polls and basing your public statements on what those polls say will change politics forever!

 

[ckfree]

How do you know he didn't? How is one nominally chritian\catholic\muslim? What makes you say they attacked the WTC for their religion? Oh yeah because the media told you so.. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack and whether they screamed CHRIST HALLELUJAH or ALLAH AU AKBAR is irrelevent, so yes the Tim McVeigh attack although not as massive as 9/11 can in fact be compared.

I meant it in a way that one can be raised in a certain religion but they don't practice it. Kinda like those who aren't atheists but still identify themselves as Christian/Catholic/Muslim etc even though they don't really practice it lol that's how I refer to them. Even though I don't know if it applies to him. As far as I know one of the main reasons he bombed Oklahoma was because of Waco

you're right, I don't know the true motive of McVeigh. I can only go off by what I have gathered through the same sources you probably get yours from. Unless you got the the inside scoop as to what's really going on behind the scenes. Otherwise your opinion is as relevant/irrelevant as mines.

and the media didn't have to tell me why they attacked, they said it themselves. Though, I don't know what they were on. Anyone who reads the Qur'an or studies the life of Prophet Muhammad without prejudice will know that Islam is not a religion of terrorism. It says quite firmly there is 'no compulsion of religion' and affirms that if you kill one man, you kill all of mankind.

 

[ckfree]

YES THEY ARE ARGUING THAT.



Vocal opponents of the 25,000-square-foot mosque proposed for 4 acres in the city's northeastern corner describe Islam not as a religion, but as a political movement bent on taking over the world and squelching freedom in favor of strict religious law.

Legal Guidelines for the Criminalization of Islam in the United States

“I learned that in 20 years with the rate of the birth population, we will be overtaken by Islam, and their goal is to get people in Congress and the Supreme Court to see that Shariah is implemented. My children and grandchildren will have to live under that.”

smh

I should have worded it better jo because you will always find those who equate the violent acts of a minority of so called Muslims with the religion itself. I was more talking about those who were talking about moving it somewhere else to ease the sensitivities or wishes of those impacted by those terrorists murderers

fuck those Newt Gingrich's