Look....We can all at least agree about this...................

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The_Jackal;8652131 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652102 said:
The_Jackal;8652097 said:
You can't ask to be born if you didn't exist

Correct. So there has to be a source of all existence that never had a beginning. Amen.

That's a pretty shitty argument for the existence of God tho

I never claimed I was making an argument for the existence of God though. His existence needs no argument, for His existence is clearly seen and understood by the creatures He made. Amen.

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652216 said:
And_So_It_Burns;8652208 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652086 said:
And_So_It_Burns;8652084 said:
Well yes, for normal humans at least.

Define "normal humans" please

I'm excluding all of the supernatural pre-destined events etc

I see. So since we agree on the premise of the thread do you also agree that we have a purpose for being called into existence?

"Being called into existence" not at all. We're simply the result of two fertile humans engaging in reproduction activities that none of us asked for
 
Ajackson17;8652142 said:
None of us asked to be here, but we were always here since we are our parents and they are their parents.

Im gonna agree and disagree

Imo, what makes us, us, is the combination of our parents, so yes we have been here, but before our parents came together , we , were not us

 
Wuwop;8652715 said:
Ajackson17;8652142 said:
None of us asked to be here, but we were always here since we are our parents and they are their parents.

Im gonna agree and disagree

Imo, what makes us, us, is the combination of our parents, so yes we have been here, but before our parents came together , we , were not us

Kinda of like Gotenks and Vegeto/Gogeta from dragonbal z
 
And_So_It_Burns;8652264 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652216 said:
And_So_It_Burns;8652208 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652086 said:
And_So_It_Burns;8652084 said:
Well yes, for normal humans at least.

Define "normal humans" please

I'm excluding all of the supernatural pre-destined events etc

I see. So since we agree on the premise of the thread do you also agree that we have a purpose for being called into existence?

"Being called into existence" not at all. We're simply the result of two fertile humans engaging in reproduction activities that none of us asked for

How about the first humans?

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8653113 said:
Ajackson17;8652899 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652149 said:
Ajackson17;8652142 said:
None of us asked to be here, but we were always here since we are our parents and they are their parents.

Who were our first parents?

Osiris and Isis.

Demons.

Nope, Christian viewpoint that everything else is demons. Osiris and Isis or their Egyptian name is Asar and Auset and represent the male and female human part of us, I think they were real people who got defied, but it's a concept of what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman. Their son is for all young men to identify with so that they know how to rise up and take up your father's mantle. It's just allegorical stories to teach you something.
 
Some schools of thought believe we do decide to be born and to which parents we will go. I don't recall my own existence before I was born, hell I wasn't even aware of my own existence as an individual separate from my parents until like age 2 or 3 so.....
 
Ajackson17;8653303 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8653113 said:
Ajackson17;8652899 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven;8652149 said:
Ajackson17;8652142 said:
None of us asked to be here, but we were always here since we are our parents and they are their parents.

Who were our first parents?

Osiris and Isis.

Demons.

Nope, Christian viewpoint that everything else is demons. Osiris and Isis or their Egyptian name is Asar and Auset and represent the male and female human part of us, I think they were real people who got defied, but it's a concept of what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman. Their son is for all young men to identify with so that they know how to rise up and take up your father's mantle. It's just allegorical stories to teach you something.

1. It's not a "christian viewpoint" my friend. It's the word of God. Thus it is Yeshuas viewpoint.

2. He alone knows all truth for He is truth.

3. If you aren't worshiping the true and living God, you are worshiping a demon. Amen.

4. There is no grey area. Only truth and lies. Light and darkness.

5. Do you know Him?
 

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