Illmatic Vs. Doggystyle

[zombie]

I like hiphop which means I don't want to hear all that signing on every fucking song no matter what the beat sounds like.

Then just say that and drop all that crossover bs....if you don't like the sound of it cuz it ain't what you prefer then coo but making up that whole crossover argument has you sounding like a troll which I really don't believe you are bruh....you like the NY boom bap essence rap and that's ok but to call doggystyle crossover cuz of the g-funk sound would be like calling a hip hop album that's soulful crossover or a hip hop album with jazz influence crossover it just wouldn't make sense

All hip hop has a sound that was generated from sounds b4 it and illmatic ain't no different cuz the samples that are apart of the album will tell you that

I believe that the sound of doggystyle was tailored for the mass public because of all that singing and the sound of illmatic was organic and was a true expression of it's creator and that will be my final post

You cant say it was tailor made for the mass public just because of some fuckin well crafted Hooks. So Nas other albums wasnt no hip hop shit but illmatic was? Was Stillmatic a crossover R&B type of album too instead of a classic hip hop album? You sounding stupider and stupider by the post based off your definitions and crazy reasoning.

If you put some sing song shit on every song then it's safe to say that you are targeting the mass public. Does almost ever song on stillmatic have singing on it????? Fuck no like I said before despite it's dark content doggystyle is a crossover album.

 

[5 Grand]

Here's how I see it. The song "Ain't No Fun" has a bangin beat, the mood is perfect for a party and if a DJ throws it on everybody would rush the dancefloor. No question. But if you listen to Snoop's verse, it's nowhere near as intricate as what Nas was spitting on Illmatic.

Guess who back in the motherfuckin house

With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth

Hoes recognize, niggaz do too

Cuz when bitches get skanless and pull a voodoo

What you gon do? You really don't know

So I'd advise you not to trust that hoe

Silly of me to fall in love with a bitch

Knowin damn well, I'm too caught up with my grip

Now as the sun rotates and my game grows bigger

How many bitches wanna fuck this nigga named Snoop

Doggy, I'm all the above

I'm too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes

But see, it ain't no fun, if my homies can't get a taste of it

Cause you know I don't love em



Really?

 

[zombie]

And I never said Bis and Nas were rappin the same, I`m talking about underground lyricist with high vocab vs a guy like Snoop and a guy like Jay Z on some perceived underground vs perceived mainstream. Bis and Nas dont have to rap alike but they first albums cant be under the same genre of catagorical rap?

Man go head wit your wonderful blends of boom bap poetics ass nigga

The great thing about illmatic is that nas does not use large words on it, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. If the vocab on illmatic is too high for you you need to take your ass back to school.

Before doggstyle came out snoop was on the chronic which was one of the highest selling albums so snoop was already in with the mainstream. By the way the chronic is a more hiphop sounding record than doggystyle is

 

[DR. JEK]

I like hiphop which means I don't want to hear all that signing on every fucking song no matter what the beat sounds like.

Then just say that and drop all that crossover bs....if you don't like the sound of it cuz it ain't what you prefer then coo but making up that whole crossover argument has you sounding like a troll which I really don't believe you are bruh....you like the NY boom bap essence rap and that's ok but to call doggystyle crossover cuz of the g-funk sound would be like calling a hip hop album that's soulful crossover or a hip hop album with jazz influence crossover it just wouldn't make sense

All hip hop has a sound that was generated from sounds b4 it and illmatic ain't no different cuz the samples that are apart of the album will tell you that

I believe that the sound of doggystyle was tailored for the mass public because of all that singing and the sound of illmatic was organic and was a true expression of it's creator and that will be my final post

You cant say it was tailor made for the mass public just because of some fuckin well crafted Hooks. So Nas other albums wasnt no hip hop shit but illmatic was? Was Stillmatic a crossover R&B type of album too instead of a classic hip hop album? You sounding stupider and stupider by the post based off your definitions and crazy reasoning.

If you put some sing song shit on every song then it's safe to say that you are targeting the mass public. Does almost ever song on stillmatic have singing on it????? Fuck no like I said before despite it's dark content doggystyle is a crossover album.

You just saying Snoop got singing hooks because of Nate dogg. Does Snoop got singing on every hook on doggystyle fuck no, i names you like four joints before you changes it up out the blue and said the "singles" that dropped (and since murda was the case didnt have much singing on it you looked stupid still) Nas had Amerie on his shit which you conveniently bypassed. But the album still a classic right? Its still a hip hop album even tho Nas on there singing hooks his damn self right? Listen man, im just convinced you a bias dude who dont know what hes talking about.

And all that sissified "Feelings" button you puttin every post i do like i dont know you the only person ill logical enough to do it wont change that.

 

[zombie]

I like hiphop which means I don't want to hear all that signing on every fucking song no matter what the beat sounds like.

Then just say that and drop all that crossover bs....if you don't like the sound of it cuz it ain't what you prefer then coo but making up that whole crossover argument has you sounding like a troll which I really don't believe you are bruh....you like the NY boom bap essence rap and that's ok but to call doggystyle crossover cuz of the g-funk sound would be like calling a hip hop album that's soulful crossover or a hip hop album with jazz influence crossover it just wouldn't make sense

All hip hop has a sound that was generated from sounds b4 it and illmatic ain't no different cuz the samples that are apart of the album will tell you that

I believe that the sound of doggystyle was tailored for the mass public because of all that singing and the sound of illmatic was organic and was a true expression of it's creator and that will be my final post

You cant say it was tailor made for the mass public just because of some fuckin well crafted Hooks. So Nas other albums wasnt no hip hop shit but illmatic was? Was Stillmatic a crossover R&B type of album too instead of a classic hip hop album? You sounding stupider and stupider by the post based off your definitions and crazy reasoning.

If you put some sing song shit on every song then it's safe to say that you are targeting the mass public. Does almost ever song on stillmatic have singing on it????? Fuck no like I said before despite it's dark content doggystyle is a crossover album.

You just saying Snoop got singing hooks because of Nate dogg. Does Snoop got singing on every hook on doggystyle fuck no, i names you like four joints before you changes it up out the blue and said the "singles" that dropped (and since murda was the case didnt have much singing on it you looked stupid still) Nas had Amerie on his shit which you conveniently bypassed. But the album still a classic right? Its still a hip hop album even tho Nas on there singing hooks his damn self right? Listen man, im just convinced you a bias dude who dont know what hes talking about.

And all that sissified "Feelings" button you puttin every post i do like i dont know you the only person ill logical enough to do it wont change that.

Off the top of my head Gin and jucie, who am I, ain't no fun, doggy dog world all have singing on them. Was amerie on illmatic?? No . how many times do I have say I judge albums as a whole before you understand what I mean. One or two songs with signing don't make an album a crossover but if there is multiple songs like that then it does.

All those songs I just named are on doggystyle and they support my statements. People have been giving me flags all over this thread do you hear me crying about it?? No so who is really the sissy.

 

[mumpy]

Nobody listened to illmatic outside of tri state area facts are facts everyone had doggystyle that shit was hard

 

[mumpy]

Here's how I see it. The song "Ain't No Fun" has a bangin beat, the mood is perfect for a party and if a DJ throws it on everybody would rush the dancefloor. No question. But if you listen to Snoop's verse, it's nowhere near as intricate as what Nas was spitting on Illmatic.

Guess who back in the motherfuckin house

With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth

Hoes recognize, niggaz do too

Cuz when bitches get skanless and pull a voodoo

What you gon do? You really don't know

So I'd advise you not to trust that hoe

Silly of me to fall in love with a bitch

Knowin damn well, I'm too caught up with my grip

Now as the sun rotates and my game grows bigger

How many bitches wanna fuck this nigga named Snoop

Doggy, I'm all the above

I'm too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes

But see, it ain't no fun, if my homies can't get a taste of it

Cause you know I don't love em



Really?

Only niggas that were trickin dough on bitches dislike this verse, yo son god duff son out b yo god stupid dope fresh one leg up pants son

 

[TrillRussell]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

 

[zombie]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

 

[zombie]

Nobody listened to illmatic outside of tri state area facts are facts everyone had doggystyle that shit was hard

white people loved doggystyle more than black people did so yeah it is going to sell more.

 

[TrillRussell]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

Nah dog..those albums are laced with R&B singers singing on hooks.regardless of the "sound".and if you're saying A album is crossover you're saying it isn't hip hop...

 

[TrillRussell]

Nobody listened to illmatic outside of tri state area facts are facts everyone had doggystyle that shit was hard

white people loved doggystyle more than black people did so yeah it is going to sell more.

So I guess Suburban White families were rapping along to Murder was the Case,The GFunk intro,and Tha Shiznit at their family cookouts?lmao..c'mon dog..don't do this..

 

[zombie]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

Nah dog..those albums are laced with R&B singers singing on hooks.regardless of the "sound".and if you're saying A album is crossover you're saying it isn't hip hop...

A cross over album means that the the album was made with the intention of grabbing another audience in stead of serving the normal traditional fanbase. I have told you more than once now that it takes more than 1 or 2 songs with singing on it.

 

[zombie]

Nobody listened to illmatic outside of tri state area facts are facts everyone had doggystyle that shit was hard

white people loved doggystyle more than black people did so yeah it is going to sell more.

So I guess Suburban White families were rapping along to Murder was the Case,The GFunk intro,and Tha Shiznit at their family cookouts?lmao..c'mon dog..don't do this..

Nah, they were singing along to gin and juice, what's my name and doggy dog world

 

[GetoBoy]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

Nah dog..those albums are laced with R&B singers singing on hooks.regardless of the "sound".and if you're saying A album is crossover you're saying it isn't hip hop...

A cross over album means that the the album was made with the intention of grabbing another audience in stead of serving the normal traditional fanbase. I have told you more than once now that it takes more than 1 or 2 songs with singing on it.

That's what makes it not a crossover album it wasn't made to grab another audience that's just the conclusion YOU are coming up with....it was made to tailor to what hip hop was sounding like at the time on the west coast....are you from Cali??? Were you in Cali at that time period??? You can't say what wasn't normal to us cuz the sound of doggystyle WAS normal and traditional to us and what's traditional to you and where you're from doesn't mean the same everywhere else but like I said maybe it was all the sun we get out here....

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

What the fuck does getting alot of sun have to do with anything? This argument has been getting dumber and dumber every page

 

[TrillRussell]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

Nah dog..those albums are laced with R&B singers singing on hooks.regardless of the "sound".and if you're saying A album is crossover you're saying it isn't hip hop...

A cross over album means that the the album was made with the intention of grabbing another audience in stead of serving the normal traditional fanbase. I have told you more than once now that it takes more than 1 or 2 songs with singing on it.

It takes more than 1 or 2 right?ok (Counting Samples as well)

"Me Against The World

Young Niggas

Heavy In The game

Can you get Away

Tempation

Me Against the world

Lord knows

Dear Mama.

Fuck The World " That's more than half the damn Album!

Black Album

What More Can I say

Allure

Change Clothes

Justify My Thug

Encore

Blue Print

Never change

Song Cry

No Love in The Heart of The City

U Don't Know

Girls

Ready To Die

Juicy

One More Chance

Friend Of Mine

Unbelievable

Life After Death

Sky's The Limit

Hypnotize

Mo Money Mo Problems

You're Nobody Until Somebody Kills you

I love The Dough

Miss You

Another u

Playa Hata

The World Is Filled

Fuckin you tonight

Need I go on?

 

[juelz21]

if were talking from a musical standpoint then easily doggystyle because dr.dre created a musical master piece with snoop on this album

 

[juelz21]

Here's how I see it. The song "Ain't No Fun" has a bangin beat, the mood is perfect for a party and if a DJ throws it on everybody would rush the dancefloor. No question. But if you listen to Snoop's verse, it's nowhere near as intricate as what Nas was spitting on Illmatic.

Guess who back in the motherfuckin house

With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth

Hoes recognize, niggaz do too

Cuz when bitches get skanless and pull a voodoo

What you gon do? You really don't know

So I'd advise you not to trust that hoe

Silly of me to fall in love with a bitch

Knowin damn well, I'm too caught up with my grip

Now as the sun rotates and my game grows bigger

How many bitches wanna fuck this nigga named Snoop

Doggy, I'm all the above

I'm too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes

But see, it ain't no fun, if my homies can't get a taste of it

Cause you know I don't love em



Really?

you obviously don't what u talking about

Guess who back in the motherfuckin house

With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth

Hoes recognize, niggaz do too

Cuz when bitches get skanless and pull a voodoo

What you gon do? You really don't know

So I'd advise you not to trust that hoe

Silly of me to fall in love with a bitch

Knowin damn well, I'm too caught up with my grip

Now as the sun rotates and my game grows bigger

How many bitches wanna fuck this nigga named Snoop

Doggy, I'm all the above

I'm too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes

But see, it ain't no fun, if my homies can't get a taste of it

Cause you know I don't love em

snoop dogg did'nt even write his own rhymes on doggystyle so none of this count.

 

[zombie]

So All Eyez On Me/Me Against The World Aint Hip Hop?Reasonable Doubt,Black Album,BluePrint aint hip hop?Ready to Die,Life After Death aint hip hop?..I can go on and On with this shit with albums we consider classic that were top heavy with Singing on the hooks..but the only time singing on hooks is brought up is to use it as an argument for Illmatic?..nah dog

You are not reading my post carefully and are now responding with emotions i Never said doggystyle was not a hip-hop album i keep saying it was a crossover album. Pay attention to what i am saying and you won't have these questions. Most of the album you listed have an overall HARD RAP sound On them with only a few sing song crossover cuts on them.

Nah dog..those albums are laced with R&B singers singing on hooks.regardless of the "sound".and if you're saying A album is crossover you're saying it isn't hip hop...

A cross over album means that the the album was made with the intention of grabbing another audience in stead of serving the normal traditional fanbase. I have told you more than once now that it takes more than 1 or 2 songs with singing on it.

It takes more than 1 or 2 right?ok (Counting Samples as well)

"Me Against The World

Young Niggas

Heavy In The game

Can you get Away

Tempation

Me Against the world

Lord knows

Dear Mama.

Fuck The World " That's more than half the damn Album!

Black Album

What More Can I say

Allure

Change Clothes

Justify My Thug

Encore

Blue Print

Never change

Song Cry

No Love in The Heart of The City

U Don't Know

Girls

Ready To Die

Juicy

One More Chance

Friend Of Mine

Unbelievable

Life After Death

Sky's The Limit

Hypnotize

Mo Money Mo Problems

You're Nobody Until Somebody Kills you

I love The Dough

Miss You

Another u

Playa Hata

The World Is Filled

Fuckin you tonight

Need I go on?

Hiphop has always used samples from the very start but it's how it's done the early ice cude albums used samples but they used them in a way that was hiphop. The same goes for most of the songs you just listed in those songs the singing does not carry the song. I have all the album you just listed and the only one that belongs on that list is the blue print.