if god planned to have his sons killed

[fiat_money]

Scam. Jesus supposedly had magical powers and he could see the future.

So he'd have known that he'd survive the crucifixion.

"Put on a good show for them son, say something profound as you 'die', and stay dead for a few days to let it sink in. They will eat that shit up. You'll get a promotion when you get back." - "God"

 

[Go figure...]

...was it really for our sins or was it to make us believe in his power and word because he showed that he is god and can bring jesus back to life after jesus predicted it.

so did he really give his only son or was it just a religious scam to gain followers

if that was the case, Christians would not be required to believe in jesus in order to be saved.

but considering its the number 1 rule in christianity...............he really gave his only son

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if that was the case, Christians would not be required to believe in jesus in order to be saved.

but considering its the number 1 rule in christianity...............he really gave his only son

but did he really give him if he brought him back and didnt stop him from bringing himself back...

i cant go around saying that i sacrificed something that i can get back at anytime....giving it away and knowing you cant get it back is part of the sacrafice...if i can get it back at anytime then its a loan or im letting you borrow it...

i just need some clarity ....not trying to make jokes

 

[soul rattler]

Speaking of son(s) (plural), why didn't Jesus' brother and sister get crucified too? Hell, all of the disciples shoulda been hung if Jebus had power over death.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Don't forget that Jesus is God. He sacrificed nothing.

ok....so why make it appear that something was sacrificed. why even state that you gave your only son...if you didnt.

so you say jesus is god and jesus said i will sacrifice myself for your sins and made it appear that he was willing to let himself be killed for our sins only to bring himself back to life? maybe im missing the point other than saying you should follow me because i am willing to die for you even if i cant die

help me understand

 

[thatni99ajahmal]

Bruh. I been trying to figure this shit out for a while and I admit I don't get it.

Even if you add the so called fact that the bible god knows everything, he knew Jesus/himself was not really going to die. He knew he was just returning back to heaven.

IMO Jesus took the easy way out and left his people he so called loved with an IOU. Believe and when I come back I will take care of you. Not only that he/god allowed his teachings and legacy to be so twisted that people who truly wanna understand (like myself) can't wrap their head around all the conflicting scriptures and practices of different religions.

Thats the most confusing shit ever if i was god and all knowing i wouldnt make shit difficult for you to know who you should beilive in and why you should believe in me shit would be clear cut.. why the fuck should there be a maze to "eternal happiness"

 

[Go figure...]

Well let me help u understand the best way I can.

Jesus was sent here on earth to die for our sins. That was the sole purpose of his life. It is a true sacrifice because he suffered just any of us do. He felt pain, betrayal, people mocking him and torturing him and he knows temptation just as we do. all for our sake. His blood was shed to wash away our sins. He had a real death just like we all will and he was resurrected just like any saved person will be. If we sacrifice our life of sin it does not mean we will stop sinning completely cuz that's impossible. But we must truly repent with the lords help and even tho we are not perfect enough to live without sin, we can still be resurrected through jesus christ and die in the flesh yet live on in the spirit.

 

[Rock_Well]

...was it really for our sins or was it to make us believe in his power and word because he showed that he is god and can bring jesus back to life after jesus predicted it.

haha sure, yea just open yourself up to be lied to by any random IC poster who feels they in a position to tell you differently than what God revealed about why Jesus died, was buried, and rose again on the third day.

 

[b*braze]

If he was God then how did he suffer? Who's to say he felt these emotions? He was in character. He was tempted but he didn't experience falling for temptation (or did he).

BTW how did he die for our sins when we are still held accountable for the future sins that evidently he knows about but we don't? 1000's of years age some guy died on the cross for my sins that I will commit after my birth, yet the bible gods know everything about me before I know it? It was written right? It was written that I would come to the conclusions about how I feel about religion. I was built this way by design, but I'm a sinner.

kinda reminds me of that scene from "devils advocate"... i was still on the fence around that time and i remember i felt guilty about agreeing with satan/al pacino

[video=youtube;RGR4SFOimlk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGR4SFOimlk[/video]

 

[2stepz_ahead]

If he was God then how did he suffer? Who's to say he felt these emotions? He was in character. He was tempted but he didn't experience falling for temptation (or did he).

BTW how did he die for our sins when we are still held accountable for the future sins that evidently he knows about but we don't? 1000's of years age some guy died on the cross for my sins that I will commit after my birth, yet the bible gods know everything about me before I know it? It was written right? It was written that I would come to the conclusions about how I feel about religion. I was built this way by design, but I'm a sinner.

exactly....but even if im a sinner now then he shouldnt punish me for what i do now if he knows i will turn my life around later....so are we now dealing with an impatient god also....

like i said people all i want is clarity and im open to clarity....i just know i cant ask church folk these questions cause they will flip the hell out

 

[Go figure...]

exactly....but even if im a sinner now then he shouldnt punish me for what i do now if he knows i will turn my life around later....so are we now dealing with an impatient god also....

like i said people all i want is clarity and im open to clarity....i just know i cant ask church folk these questions cause they will flip the hell out

punishment or consequences is what leads to other choices u will make in the future

1. u spend ur money u go broke

2. u stop spending money so u dont go broke again

3. ur not broke anymore

its us who are impatient cuz we are not disciplined enough to take the road to salvation. God is the one waiting, waiting on us to invite Him into our lives.

 

[judahxulu]

To Huruma and the rest of the atheist clique:

Have you guys maybe considered that you have a fucked up way of thinking and maybe you need to recognize that issue before you even try to reason and philosophize about what "God" is or isn't? The problem is not the Most High. The issue is that your egos are your gods. Most of you scoffers were on the path at one time but you gave up or became fanatics in denial. All because of your egos. You niggas make the R&R so redundant. Ok....you're athest. We get it. So what you gonna do? Since you think your viewpoint >>> so called deists or religionists or whatever, how can your viewpoints be practically applied to fixing the problems of the day?

 

[Go figure...]

Thats the most confusing shit ever if i was god and all knowing i wouldnt make shit difficult for you to know who you should beilive in and why you should believe in me shit would be clear cut.. why the fuck should there be a maze to "eternal happiness"

God didnt create that maze

 

[2stepz_ahead]

punishment or consequences is what leads to other choices u will make in the future

1. u spend ur money u go broke

2. u stop spending money so u dont go broke again

3. ur not broke anymore

its us who are impatient cuz we are not disciplined enough to take the road to salvation. God is the one waiting, waiting on us to invite Him into our lives.

i see what your trying to say but.....me not being disciplined because i dont what my future holds is not me being impatient. maybe some people make bad decisons and that leads to other stuff.....but if god knows the outcome...then i agree god waitng for me to correct myself and invite him into my life is just a matter of time. he knows i will correct my mistakes...so why must i get threatened during my journey if my outcome is already made. is this a episode of scared straight? or maybe some people just dont get it because they are real slow....so should i punish the slow kid that gets off the bus and makes me late for work when i know he cant help it?

im not saying someone on here has all the answers but this is a forum about religion and im trying to exercise that right. this was my questions will get answered or at least i have some food for thought rather than sit back an be ignorant

 

[Go figure...]

If he was God then how did he suffer? Who's to say he felt these emotions? He was in character. He was tempted but he didn't experience falling for temptation (or did he).
BTW how did he die for our sins when we are still held accountable for the future sins that evidently he knows about but we don't? 1000's of years age some guy died on the cross for my sins that I will commit after my birth, yet the bible gods know everything about me before I know it? It was written right? It was written that I would come to the conclusions about how I feel about religion. I was built this way by design, but I'm a sinner.

If he was God then how did he suffer? Who's to say he felt these emotions? He was in character. He was tempted but he didn't experience falling for temptation (or did he).
BTW how did he die for our sins when we are still held accountable for the future sins that evidently he knows about but we don't? 1000's of years age some guy died on the cross for my sins that I will commit after my birth, yet the bible gods know everything about me before I know it? It was written right? It was written that I would come to the conclusions about how I feel about religion. I was built this way by design, but I'm a sinner.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.....and the word became flesh and dwelt among us," (John 1:1, 14)
"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9).

Jesus is God in the flesh. Bodily form. Humans are what? In bodily form. What is bodily form? A human body with human functions.
Jesus is completely human, but He also has a divine nature. He died in the physical not the spiritual. The same will be true for all of us. Our flesh dies our spirit does not.

No he did not give in to temptation, but how does that mean he doesnt know what its like to be tempted?????????????????

God is all-knowing. He KNOWS what u will and will not do before it happens, he knows what happens with every and any choice or potential choice u may or may not make. just because he knows doesnt mean u are prevented from making any of those choices.

u are built to make ur own choice, free will. if u choose to be a sinner then thats what u will be.

 

[Go figure...]

i see what your trying to say but.....me not being disciplined because i dont what my future holds is not me being impatient. maybe some people make bad decisons and that leads to other stuff.....but if god knows the outcome...then i agree god waitng for me to correct myself and invite him into my life is just a matter of time. he knows i will correct my mistakes...so why must i get threatened during my journey if my outcome is already made. is this a episode of scared straight? or maybe some people just dont get it because they are real slow....so should i punish the slow kid that gets off the bus and makes me late for work when i know he cant help it?

im not saying someone on here has all the answers but this is a forum about religion and im trying to exercise that right. this was my questions will get answered or at least i have some food for thought rather than sit back an be ignorant

ur not gettin it. u make your own decisions. thats what free will is. if u sin u will face consequences. if u turn to God u will receive blessings. just because he knows whether or not u will sin at any given time does not mean u dont have the freedom to make the decision.

 

[Go figure...]

so should i punish the slow kid that gets off the bus and makes me late for work when i know he cant help it?

God does not want to punish us thats why he lets us know and wants us to know that sinning will resort to death of the spirit.

and ur analogy isnt right. if the slow kid = sinner, and you = God, then the technology created to help get slow kids off the bus faster would = bible

considering God, we do have a choice. we choose to sin which will result in punishment

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Depends who's telling the story and for what purpose.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If he was God then how did he suffer? Who's to say he felt these emotions? He was in character. He was tempted but he didn't experience falling for temptation (or did he).
BTW how did he die for our sins when we are still held accountable for the future sins that evidently he knows about but we don't? 1000's of years age some guy died on the cross for my sins that I will commit after my birth, yet the bible gods know everything about me before I know it? It was written right? It was written that I would come to the conclusions about how I feel about religion. I was built this way by design, but I'm a sinner.

"Jesus wept." John 11:35

Why?

"14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. " Hebrews 2:14-18

The red just highlights it, but the whole passage amplifies it. Do you know Him?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

That someone else's opinion.

No, it's called the truth. You either believe it or you don't. Do you know Him?