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dnyce215;9026496 said:Art blank Dabbin in the A
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dnyce215;9026496 said:Art blank Dabbin in the A
zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
The Lonious Monk;9028500 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Something isn't good just because all the alternatives are shittier, and having ideals doesn't mean anything if you can't live up to them. Yes, America has made strides towards that goal, but it hasn't reached it yet, so it's fair to say that America is not great and never has been.
zzombie;9028529 said:The Lonious Monk;9028500 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Something isn't good just because all the alternatives are shittier, and having ideals doesn't mean anything if you can't live up to them. Yes, America has made strides towards that goal, but it hasn't reached it yet, so it's fair to say that America is not great and never has been.
IF THAT IS THE CASE NOTHING IS EVER GREAT.
FIRST OF ALL BY WHAT METRICS DO YOU JUDGE A NATION AS BEING GREAT OR NOT???? I think that if you objectively look at all the nations/empires that have existed in human history then the greatness of America becomes very clear
What you are saying makes very little sense the better alternative is obviously greater and having ideals is obviously better than having no ideals
ChildofDaCorn420;9027919 said:Cacs sure do love 'Merica. Forget that they stole this country from the Native Americans aND Mexicans doe
jono;9028553 said:Let her cook. Her opinion valid as fuck, in fact its true.
Ajackson17;9028017 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Science and technological advances more or less America does lead compared to the rest of the world.
But as far as values, effective leadership, cultural phenomenon and etc I wouldn't say America is the best. Probably Kemet it's the best pound for pound. Next I would say Rome, but if America took more heed to the civil rights era and actually produced a better nation it would probably in these 50 years it would have been the best. But America has still a ways to go before it can get that title.
zzombie;9028798 said:Ajackson17;9028017 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Science and technological advances more or less America does lead compared to the rest of the world.
But as far as values, effective leadership, cultural phenomenon and etc I wouldn't say America is the best. Probably Kemet it's the best pound for pound. Next I would say Rome, but if America took more heed to the civil rights era and actually produced a better nation it would probably in these 50 years it would have been the best. But America has still a ways to go before it can get that title.
both kemet and rome were vastly inferior to the united states of America
The Lonious Monk;9028564 said:zzombie;9028529 said:The Lonious Monk;9028500 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Something isn't good just because all the alternatives are shittier, and having ideals doesn't mean anything if you can't live up to them. Yes, America has made strides towards that goal, but it hasn't reached it yet, so it's fair to say that America is not great and never has been.
IF THAT IS THE CASE NOTHING IS EVER GREAT.
FIRST OF ALL BY WHAT METRICS DO YOU JUDGE A NATION AS BEING GREAT OR NOT???? I think that if you objectively look at all the nations/empires that have existed in human history then the greatness of America becomes very clear
What you are saying makes very little sense the better alternative is obviously greater and having ideals is obviously better than having no ideals
He shirt does not imply the type of comparison you're trying to make. Sure, the metrics and requirements for what is considered "great" is subjective and therefore debatable. So you and anyone else who disagrees with the sentiment of her shirt are free to disagree and provide counterarguments. However, the argument you're providing now is weak. One could say that race relations in this country in the 1950s was great because you could undoubtedly go to other places in the world where it was much worse. The fact is that something is not good just because it's better than every other alternative.
Also, I don't even think its fair to say that America is great if you compare it to other nations. I'm sure if you look at the Roman empire, you could probably find places where that empire lived up to its ideals far more than the US has. On top of that, the US has been around for less than three hundred years. That doesn't compare at all to some of the past empires, so it's premature to even put it in that category.
zzombie;9028821 said:The Lonious Monk;9028564 said:zzombie;9028529 said:The Lonious Monk;9028500 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Something isn't good just because all the alternatives are shittier, and having ideals doesn't mean anything if you can't live up to them. Yes, America has made strides towards that goal, but it hasn't reached it yet, so it's fair to say that America is not great and never has been.
IF THAT IS THE CASE NOTHING IS EVER GREAT.
FIRST OF ALL BY WHAT METRICS DO YOU JUDGE A NATION AS BEING GREAT OR NOT???? I think that if you objectively look at all the nations/empires that have existed in human history then the greatness of America becomes very clear
What you are saying makes very little sense the better alternative is obviously greater and having ideals is obviously better than having no ideals
He shirt does not imply the type of comparison you're trying to make. Sure, the metrics and requirements for what is considered "great" is subjective and therefore debatable. So you and anyone else who disagrees with the sentiment of her shirt are free to disagree and provide counterarguments. However, the argument you're providing now is weak. One could say that race relations in this country in the 1950s was great because you could undoubtedly go to other places in the world where it was much worse. The fact is that something is not good just because it's better than every other alternative.
Also, I don't even think its fair to say that America is great if you compare it to other nations. I'm sure if you look at the Roman empire, you could probably find places where that empire lived up to its ideals far more than the US has. On top of that, the US has been around for less than three hundred years. That doesn't compare at all to some of the past empires, so it's premature to even put it in that category.
The bold makes absolutely no sense.
Her shirt implies that America was never great.. but great compared to what??? when you say something is great you are making a comparative statement so the most logical answer to my question would be??? other nations.
ACTUALLY no the roman adherence to it's ideals never really matched the level of Americas adherence to American ideals and the periods in which they attempted to do so did not last for very long. Within it's short lifetime the USA has accomplished more than any other nation or empire that preceded
Ajackson17;9028817 said:zzombie;9028798 said:Ajackson17;9028017 said:zzombie;9027695 said:The Lonious Monk;9027622 said:zzombie;9027499 said:Objectively speaking America is by far one of the greatest nations on earth and in human history
It depends on what you mean by great. When most say its great, they are usually talking about what the country supposedly represents and the principles typically associated with it as a nation. If living up to those are what would make the country great, then that chick's hat is accurate as hell.
No nations ever lives up to it's ideals and some don't even really have any however America has had the greatest ideals and has put in the most effort into actually fulfilling them. The people who shit on America as a nation usually do so out of ignorance of exactly how shitty most nations historically have always been but truth be told America is exceptional in world history.
Science and technological advances more or less America does lead compared to the rest of the world.
But as far as values, effective leadership, cultural phenomenon and etc I wouldn't say America is the best. Probably Kemet it's the best pound for pound. Next I would say Rome, but if America took more heed to the civil rights era and actually produced a better nation it would probably in these 50 years it would have been the best. But America has still a ways to go before it can get that title.
both kemet and rome were vastly inferior to the united states of America
As far as technology and science, military power, some economics, and government but each existed over a thousand years. While America isn't 300 years. It's kinda of unfair to say America is superior when America doesn't have the longevity. It took Kemet way over a thousand years to reach a civil war era. It took America almost it's first 20 years and then less than a hundred years. Then you have race riots and such.
When African descent say it we were enslaved for almost a hundred years of it's creation when it's values always say All Men are equal...well when does that come into play...after the civil war? Civil Rights? When?
It's the greatest nation for a while for White male straight Christians who are wealthy then yes, for African Americans it hasn't and she has a point when was it great for us?