He thought he could help:Concealed carry gun-wielder intervenes in domestic dispute and is shot dead

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As word of the altercation spread throughout Arlington, family and friends gathered at CrossFit Abattoir, the gym T.J. Antell owned with his wife, Crystal.

He went into protective mode. He’s a father, he’s protective by nature,” Antell’s pastor, Marc Lowrance, told reporters Monday. “And he thought he could help everyone involved, and tragically it went a different way.”

Antell, Lowrance said, “sacrificed himself for this family, much the way he sacrificed himself for strangers today.”

Police spent most of the day interviewing witnesses. When asked if Antell should have intervened, Arlington police spokesman Christopher Cook told the Dallas Morning News there’s no clear cut answer.

“Without having all the details, it would be inappropriate for me to speculate,” he said.

In an interview with TV station NBC 5, Cook offered this advice: “Anytime you can be the best witness you can be, we always recommend that.”

As the number of states allowing people to carry guns has increased, reports of injuries and deaths have also risen.

Just last week, a churchgoer in Pennsylvania — in possession of a concealed carry permit and a some sort of badge to prove it — intervened in an already settled spat between congregation members over reserved church seating. The man, Mark Storms, approached Robert Braxton, showed him a gun on his belt and a gold badge, then asked him to leave, reported the Associated Press. Braxton threw a punch, then Storms fired two shots, killing the man.

Storms was charged with voluntary manslaughter, the AP reported.

Last fall, a Detroit woman with a concealed carry permit fired at a fleeing shoplifter outside a Home Depot. She was later sentenced to 18 months of probation and stripped of her concealed gun permit. She told a TV station that she “will never help anybody again.”
 
Damn..

There was a robbery that was happening here a couple weeks ago. You dont need a concealed permit up here so almost everyone over 21 has a pistol. Dude was holding up the cashiers and a customer just walked behind the robber and put a gun to the back of his head and kept him there until the police came lol.

Another similar instance happened at costco here not too long ago.

Sad shit though.
 
That's what happened when the police out here got clapped. The shooters ran into the Walmart and a cracka with a pistol on his hip thought he was finna be a hero. He bit the bullet too. I'm working on getting my concealed license, I will not use it to be super hero.
 
it appears that all having a gun only escalated the situation.

who shots at their wife over an argument?

wouldn't you expect that same person to shot at a stranger carrying a gun?
 
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This is only the tip of the iceburg. We're only a few years away from multiple party, black friday shoot outs. Dude should have just got the license plate and called them people. What you think was going to happen when you run up on somebody with a gun drawn? And who gon stand there like a deer in headlights and wait to find out? That's essentially what the blue lives matter bullshit is about. They body folks for less than that. He should beat the manslaughter charge but that's foul what he did to ole girl.
 
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gdatruth2.0;8973867 said:
it appears that all having a gun escalated the situation.

who shots at their wife over an argument?

wouldn't you expect that same person to shot at a stranger carrying a gun?

He thought he could take control over the situation......

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never grasped the fascination with guns and the assertion having one can solve all problems.

the same ones arguing about their right to bear arms are the same ppl shooting themselves in the face taking selfies or getting shot by their kids accidentally

i know of 2 teenagers who killed themselves with guns in the household. In one case it was an apparent sucide and the other case was asummed to be an accident. I wonder if both of them would be alive if the parents didnt have a gun in the household
 
gdatruth2.0;8973900 said:
never grasped the fascination with guns and the assertion having one can solve all problems.

the same ones arguing about their right to bear arms are the same ppl shooting themselves in the face taking selfies or getting shot by their kids accidentally

i know of 2 teenagers who killed themselves with guns in the household. In one case it was an apparent sucide and the other case was asummed to be an accident. I wonder if both of them would be alive if the parents didnt have a gun in the household

I agreed with you on the first post but the bolded is a bit of a stretch. Suicide by gun is typical but not having a gun doesn't mean they ran outta options. I know a couple of people who accidentally shot themselves and many people who have been shot, unfortunately.

I have guns but have never taken selfies with them because it's stupid.

But I like having something I can defend me and my loved ones with in case someone breaks in my house as its been attempted a few times in my life and I'm not about to hide in a closet until the police get here to protect me.....with their guns.

But it's bigger than simply people like me that want to protect themselves. Gun sales are big business and as sure as food companies fail to disclose contaminations promptly and car companies don't issue mass recalls promptly where lives are at risk, gun companies rather rake in profits by selling to the masses than ensure your safety (if it cuts profit).

It's profits over everything including the risks to human life. Money in politics..all of it is connected.

Human stupidity (leaving guns out, playing with guns, etc) is a catalyst...a high risk catalyst...but a catalyst nonetheless.
 
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You have your own family to protect. Bullets being fired = Me gettin myself and my wife up outta there, especially if the situation has nothing to do with me. Police get paid to intervene in these situations, and are trained to do so.
 
leftcoastkev;8973923 said:
gdatruth2.0;8973900 said:
never grasped the fascination with guns and the assertion having one can solve all problems.

the same ones arguing about their right to bear arms are the same ppl shooting themselves in the face taking selfies or getting shot by their kids accidentally

i know of 2 teenagers who killed themselves with guns in the household. In one case it was an apparent sucide and the other case was asummed to be an accident. I wonder if both of them would be alive if the parents didnt have a gun in the household

I agreed with you on the first post but the bolded is a bit of a stretch. Suicide by gun is typical but not having a gun doesn't mean they ran outta options. I know a couple of people who accidentally shot themselves and many people who have been shot, unfortunately.

I have guns but have never taken selfies with them because it's stupid.

But I like having something I can defend me and my loved ones with in case someone breaks in my house as its been attempted a few times in my life and I'm not about to hide in a closet until the police get here to protect me.....with their guns.

But it's bigger than simply people like me that want to protect themselves. Gun sales are big business and as sure as food companies fail to disclose contaminations promptly and car companies don't issue mass recalls promptly where lives are at risk, gun companies rather rake in profits by selling to the masses than ensure your safety (if it cuts profit).

It's profits over everything including the risks to human life. Money in politics..all of it is connected.

Human stupidity (leaving guns out, playing with guns, etc) is a catalyst...a high risk catalyst...but a catalyst nonetheless.

I am definitely biased by personal experiences.

I always thought I would get a gun for home protection once I got a wife and kids. But it appears the steps necessary to secure a firearm in a house with kids would negate the benefits having one in case of emergency it’s a catch 22. I need a gun but I gotta go through to so many hops to keep it under lock & key that god forbid when I need I cant get to it.

I tend to hear more stories about accidental shootings, spontaneous suicides and escalation of violence (for instance I wonder if the Saints Will Smith would be alive if he didn’t have a gun) in general where guns do more harm than good. But once again I admit I am very biased on the matter.

definitely agree on the boded. We have a gun fascination and this gun culture dictates that plan A, B & C should be buying a gun to resolve all conflicts.

 
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gdatruth2.0;8973967 said:
leftcoastkev;8973923 said:
gdatruth2.0;8973900 said:
never grasped the fascination with guns and the assertion having one can solve all problems.

the same ones arguing about their right to bear arms are the same ppl shooting themselves in the face taking selfies or getting shot by their kids accidentally

i know of 2 teenagers who killed themselves with guns in the household. In one case it was an apparent sucide and the other case was asummed to be an accident. I wonder if both of them would be alive if the parents didnt have a gun in the household

I agreed with you on the first post but the bolded is a bit of a stretch. Suicide by gun is typical but not having a gun doesn't mean they ran outta options. I know a couple of people who accidentally shot themselves and many people who have been shot, unfortunately.

I have guns but have never taken selfies with them because it's stupid.

But I like having something I can defend me and my loved ones with in case someone breaks in my house as its been attempted a few times in my life and I'm not about to hide in a closet until the police get here to protect me.....with their guns.

But it's bigger than simply people like me that want to protect themselves. Gun sales are big business and as sure as food companies fail to disclose contaminations promptly and car companies don't issue mass recalls promptly where lives are at risk, gun companies rather rake in profits by selling to the masses than ensure your safety (if it cuts profit).

It's profits over everything including the risks to human life. Money in politics..all of it is connected.

Human stupidity (leaving guns out, playing with guns, etc) is a catalyst...a high risk catalyst...but a catalyst nonetheless.

I am definitely biased by personal experiences.

I always thought I would get a gun for home protection once I got a wife and kids. But it appears the steps necessary to secure a firearm in a house with kids would negate the benefits having one in case of emergency it’s a catch 22. I need a gun but I gotta go through to so many hops to keep it under lock & key that god forbid when I need I cant get to it.

I tend to hear more stories about accidental shootings, spontaneous suicides and escalation of violence (for instance I wonder if the Saints Will Smith would be alive if he didn’t have a gun) in general where guns do more harm than good. But once again I admit I am very biased on the matter.

definitely agree on the boded. We have a gun fascination and this gun culture dictates that plan A, B & C should be buying a gun to resolve all conflicts.

Depends how you do it, but I can respect your opinion. We all gotta move through life as we see fit and do what we believe is best for our individual households.
 
Black_Samson;8974124 said:
Dumbass.

That bitch in that situation cause she want to be.

And now you dead and your wife bout to get paaaaaaaaaaid!

I may go fuck his wife and have her pay some my bills.

Fuckit

Savage.
 
Instead of grabbing his phone and videotaping or better yet calling 1X he grabbed his gun and flashed it without intending to use it and got appropriately put down for it.

Mind your damn business, that man just clapped at his wife, of course he don't give a fuck about you.
 

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