G&S Debates Rd 1 Is standardized testing effective? *Yellowsport wins*

[yellowtapesport]

In order for standardized testing to be effective, we would first have to assume there is a standard human being. By doing so, we eliminate any thought of diversity; differences of not only color, but religion, culture, hobbies, habits and even appetites. The reality is, however, that people at any age, are different.

Students learn differently and for that reason are taught differently across the country. Schools are funded differently, resources are distributed disproportionately, and other contributing factors effecting education such as discipline, teacher turnover and parental involvement are no where near equal across school districts.

Standardized testing is an ineffective way to measure and compare students abilities and should no longer be used in schools. Many schools across the country have moved to other, more effective ways to assess student learning via portfolios and practicums that allow students to express their learning styles and differences.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Where this nigga b'mer at...

@2stepz_ahead summon that nigga fam

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if no reply by tomorrow night..

@7figz are you ready to step in?

 

[7figz]

if no reply by tomorrow night..

@7figz are you ready to step in?

Yeah fuck it, I'm down. Tommy coverin' my shift.

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[b'mer...]

Standardized test are to measure the performance of routine and common daily tasks. Determining if yhe subject of the test can effectively translate and apply the applications to the daily environment. I think its an adequit test across the board.

 

[Karl.]

Is Standardized Slaughter effective?

 

[yellowtapesport]

Standardized test are to measure the performance of routine and common daily tasks. Determining if yhe subject of the test can effectively translate and apply the applications to the daily environment. I think its an adequit test across the board.

Routine and common daily task are performed much differently among different groups of learners. Imagine the task of preparing for school. In household A this may consist of a hot shower, full breakfast, clean clothes laid out on the bed by one of TWO parents, and a hug/kiss goodbye as the school bus pulls up. While household B may consist of cold wash rag, no breakfast but had to get up 2hrs early to get your five brothers and sisters ready for school and no one is home to tell you 'have a nice day.'

How do you measure these two tasks evenly?

You cannot

 

[b'mer...]

Even though there are extreme differences between the two households you described which paint a graphic picture of reality still does not demean the objective of a standardized testing. The external circumstances surrounding the individuals may be bleek but not a concrete reason for under performing on standardized test. For example: HAROLD EKEH, AUGUSTA UWAMANZU-NNA and SAMANTHA SMITH. And these are just a few but these atudents come from dar more desperate circumstances than which you drew a parallel of. All students are going to ivy league colleges with some of the highest I.Q's tested. There is also a young man from compton that tested on the genius level in high school but he is lives in a war zone if you will. My point is that your living situation does not always mean you cant score high on standardized test.

If anything those extreme set of obstacles help propel us in to being better under pressure. Think about it. Lets take house A: Jonathan wakes up at 7am by mom entering his bedroom and saying "good morning sunshine! Get up take a shower, breakfast is ready down stairs". He gets up, rushes down stairs to his loving family of 5 all gathered in the kitchen eating and laughing. He doesnt even really eat his food because he waiting to get to school to be with his friends as mom drops him off. Now, house B: Sean wakes up damn near automatically on his own around 7am. He also wakes up his littlw brother and sister. They share one bathroom so time management is crucial. He lets his sister go first, while he and his brother go to the kitchen in hopes of having enough if any milk to have a bowl of cereal. After sister is done both he and his brother then occupy the bathroom. He helps them get dressed and helps his sister with her hair. Mom leaves him $20 and a thank you note on her bed for helping with them since she cant due to her working hours from two jobs as she is already gone. Just in those few steps of the day Sean is already utilizing standardized test skills by managing time and problem solving, math as he has to decide on what to buy for food with money from mom that has to last a few days. And of course reading and writing skills. He is a master.

Both boys attend the same school and take the same test because each test is based on the schools unique curriculum. Sean may not know it and may feel under prepared but given his circumstances he is ready to blow the test away. He just has to apply what he does on a daily basis to paper.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Standardized testing is outdated and not as commonly used because schools are coming to the realization that nothing about education across the country is standard. Also, that test is the only one of its kind a person will ever encounter in their life, thus preparing them for absolutely nothing. (Only thing I ever got from it was a #2pencil was the only pencil worth buying..)

The concept of individual learning styles has shed new light on how students are taught in schools across the country, since the old 'chalk on a green chalkboard' method has become obsolete since many students are unable to process the information without a visual reference, let alone sit still long enough to listen to chunks of words being thrown at them.

For people to acknowledge these different ways of learning, along with different emotional and environmental factors including life experiences (see first post) that play critical parts in ones education, to hold all students to a common standard would essentially be counter productive.

 

[b'mer...]

Yes, people learn on different levels. Different skills and strategies from teachers help play a major role in which students learn. But the principal is the same. Math doesn't change. Reading and writing doesn't change. (Cursive hand writing is no longer practiced...smh) mechanical science doesn't change. Yes, we have more technology now that has changed the very face of teaching. For the most part, it helps simplify information for students, most cases doing everything for the student, which is not good. The very platform of learning is becoming obsolete. How many people, including adults can remember phone numbers any more. The need is no longer there due smart phones. Standardized testing does not change or handicap the students ability to provide data about the test being taken. You take ten students and give them the same test of a pool of things that have been taught to all students.

 

[b'mer...]

That math does not change 2+2=4 all day. Verbs, nouns, pronouns don't change. Order of operation does not change. Thats a standardized test. The same information has been taught to all students taking the test. Your issue of argument is for the way students are being taught. That has nothing to do with testing the students on an even playing field.

 

[yellowtapesport]

To say that the way students are taught has nothing to do with the testing is like saying the way food is cooked has nothing to do with how it tastes..yes 2+2=4 all day but a standardized test also questions applications and procedures behind simple mathematics..we both know there is more than one way to get four. The difference in the application of nouns is the experiences, or lack of, behind them. Here's an example:

Vladimir and Vladislov went to the mart on Monday to render collations. Vladimir chose a 3 ruble Kasha while Vladislov sighted a 2 ruple Kissle, however, Vladislov left his coin sac so Vladimir procured the lot while Vladislov paid him back later that evening and again hereafter. If Vladimir started with 7 ruple on Monday, how much did he have on Tuesday?

Now, if you expect every child 10 out of 10 in a diverse room to, on a timed test, after reading three paragraphs about Vladimir and Vladislov to answer this question correctly..the number that couldn't versus the number that could easily tell you that Joe had $12 (if he started with $7, him and John went to the store for a snack. Joe got $3 candy bar and John got $2 hot dog. Joe bought both and John paid him back double the next day) would probably shock you.

Unless you know 10 lil niggas from the projects that been to Russia.

 

[b'mer...]

One does not need to have ventured abroad to apply the practice of critical thinking coupled with the process of elimination to be able to solve word problems. Im not saying that all students would get the correct answer but they would perform better rather than just being stuck on a question that they find difficult. Every child is taught that on a timed test to move on from any question they dont know, solve what they can and go back to the unsolved portion last. And no, i dont know 10 lil niggas from the projects that have been to Russia. However, my step sister came to the U.S from Mali, Africa. She did not speak any english upon her arrival but she excelled very quickly and was placed 2 grade levels above her peers in math courses. Although some questions may be culturally bias, as the example you eluded to but the principal is universal.

 

[b'mer...]

Sidenote: I work 3rd shift so forgive my response times akhi.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Congratulations to your step sister for her accomplishments. I'm sure it took a lot of hard work and determination. I know it was an uphill battle, with many trials and tribulations along the way.

It would be a shame for the results of a standardized test to minimize her accomplishments to simply answering a basic math question correctly.

 

[b'mer...]

Not really. Just learning English was the challenge but everything else fell into place.she graduated as a valedictorian and went to west point. Now she's in the air force. No biggie. Nothing a lil standardization couldnt fix

 

[Karl.]

Looks like you both lost this time.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Good shit @b'mer u made some good points..

I think it's a wrap @2stepz_ahead

 

[2stepz_ahead]

all replies are finished.

we can begin with the voting.

Who made the better point? who defended their argument better?

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