Does Wealth Impede One's Ability To Believe In a Higher Power

[glowy]

Nah, a lot of professional athletes/singers get wealthy, but maintain their religious beliefs. Also, it could be said that them becoming rich has reinforced their beliefs.

 

[PoetLaureate]

Without question it usually does yo!! The man that has any sincere religious affiliation is rare enough, but a cat that can maintain that with millions in the bank is rarer still. People tend to lose perspective when they have money and the gift then becomes a curse. Wealth is actually more of a test than it is a gift anyway. God wants to see how you'll spend it and if it will take precedence over him.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Wealth is actually more of a test than it is a gift anyway. God wants to see how you'll spend it and if it will take precedence over him.

If God is all-knowing, he would already know the outcome of any test. What a silly belief.

Anyway, wealthy people are usually cunning and that's how they got wealthy in the first place and stayed that way. Clever people don't believe in superstitious nonsense, but they'll often let other people believe it so they won't take their wealth.

 

[PoetLaureate]

If God is all-knowing, he would already know the outcome of any test. What a silly belief.

Anyway, wealthy people are usually cunning and that's how they got wealthy in the first place and stayed that way. Clever people don't believe in superstitious nonsense, but they'll often let other people believe it so they won't take their wealth.

He does know the outcome but he still allows it to unfold naturally. True belief is an abstract concept Doc...u gotta think outside the box to get it..

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Sounds more like you're not thinking at all. Now you're admitting the test is not really a test. Confused ass religious people.

 

[aijalon]

Nah, a lot of professional athletes/singers get wealthy, but maintain their religious beliefs. Also, it could be said that them becoming rich has reinforced their beliefs.

Hence the term "Wealthy."

Consider this:
Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg all are professed atheists.

 

[PoetLaureate]

Sounds more like you're not thinking at all. Now you're admitting the test is not really a test. Confused ass religious people.

Its not something that can be taught...u either get it or u don't and U don't! The idea that u don't see the design within the universe is as ridiculous to me as my belief is to u. U strike me as the anarchist type...u don't really want answers u just want to pose silly questions.

 

[aijalon]

He does know the outcome but he still allows it to unfold naturally. True belief is an abstract concept Doc...u gotta think outside the box to get it..

Therein lies the greatest struggle my brother. Subjecting yourself to the unprovable.
It's not necessarily thinking outside of the box as much as it is encapsulating yourself inside one. Believing in God requires that you suspend the natural human desire for ultimate knowledge.

 

[PoetLaureate]

Therein lies the greatest struggle my brother. Subjecting yourself to the unprovable.

It's not necessarily thinking outside of the box as much as it is encapsulating yourself inside one. Believing in God requires that you suspend the natural human desire for ultimate knowledge.

On the contrary my good man to believe in God is to embrace true reality and true knowledge. Once you make that realization u develop an insatiable thirst for all of the knowledge that this higher being has for u.

 

[PoetLaureate]

For the record i'm Muslim...so if one is turned off to religion as a result of Christianity for example...I get that. Finding the correct path to the creator is just as important as acknowledging him.

 

[aijalon]

For the record i'm Muslim...so if one is turned off to religion as a result of Christianity for example...I get that. Finding the correct path to the creator is just as important as acknowledging him.

It would just appear that all paths which lead to a place where the expectation is of complete devotion to abstract and unproven beliefs.

 

[PoetLaureate]

It would just appear that all paths which lead to a place where the expectation is of complete devotion to abstract and unproven beliefs.

See again I get that because your looking at it from the perspective of someone on the outside looking in. But Allah has given us facts to authenticate Islam's truth.There are things in the Qur'an that no man could have possibly known.

 

[fiat_money]

I'd say "no".

 

[PoetLaureate]

Classic examples are: Allah mentioning that iron is foreign to Earth...which it is, or the benefit of insulin from cows, or the bee's navigational skills, the fact that the universe is ever expanding, and the fact that the mountains stabilize the Earth, etc, etc.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

ahahhaha

we've been over this "science in the koran" bullshit many times

 

[PoetLaureate]

ahahhaha

we've been over this "science in the koran" bullshit many times

From where u stand i'm a fool...an ignorant dumbass who believes that there is an invisible being that I must adhere to. From where I stand you are being influenced by a jinn. Allah speaks about people such as yourself repeatedly in the Qur'an. Unbelievers who don't live to learn or seek knowledge for themselves, they instead live to ridicule those who do. It does'nt matter how many facts u give them...they will dispute them. Clear evidence is just more evidence for them to piss on...that's what they do...that's what they live for. Its a sad existence because people like u have nothing to live for. Your referred to as "losers" in the Qur'an. Imbeciles who limit they're relation to the world through the 5 senses. and as a result the true knowledge of the world passes them by while they waste time. If Allah descended upon the Earth with a train of 1 million angels u would still find fault with him...reason to deny him. All I know is this...if every religious person is wrong then we just spend our lives trying to do better toward other human beings and as a result develop epic morals and values that benefit the world. However if ur wrong u will simply continue to spew hatred and nastiness upon the planet and will suddenly find yourself in an unfamiliar state after death. And u will have to face the very thing that you jest at now.

 

[fiat_money]

Classic examples are: Allah mentioning that iron is foreign to Earth...

Iron, the metal which forms the Earth's core and is extremely common on the Earth, is foreign to the Earth? Word?

That makes no sense.

Iron is pretty much essential to terrestrial planets in general.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Nope, I gave up God before money.

I actually think it's the other way around, it's easier for a poor man struggling to dismiss God than for a rich man living luxuriously.

 

[PoetLaureate]

Iron, the metal which forms the Earth's core and is extremely common on the Earth, is foreign to the Earth? Word?

That makes no sense.

Iron is pretty much essential to terrestrial planets in general.

Not gonna argue yo...if its that serious to u do your own research and I GUARANTEE u will find the truth. But for the record Allah says that iron comes from space and is alien to Earth. Scientists later theorize that the original meteor that struck the earth and killed the dinosaurs was made of Iron and was driven into the earth. Don't let that devil influence your thought process bruh, as a matter of fact don't let me either. That's the beauty of it...u can look for yourself and answer ur own questions.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

From where u stand i'm a fool...an ignorant dumbass who believes that there is an invisible being that I must adhere to. From where I stand you are being influenced by a jinn. Allah speaks about people such as yourself repeatedly in the Qur'an. Unbelievers who don't live to learn or seek knowledge for themselves, they instead live to ridicule those who do. It does'nt matter how many facts u give them...they will dispute them. Clear evidence is just more evidence for them to piss on...that's what they do...that's what they live for. Its a sad existence because people like u have nothing to live for. Your referred to as "losers" in the Qur'an. Imbeciles who limit they're relation to the world through the 5 senses. and as a result the true knowledge of the world passes them by while they waste time. If Allah descended upon the Earth with a train of 1 million angels u would still find fault with him...reason to deny him. All I know is this...if every religious person is wrong then we just spend our lives trying to do better toward other human beings and as a result develop epic morals and values that benefit the world. However if ur wrong u will simply continue to spew hatred and nastiness upon the planet and will suddenly find yourself in an unfamiliar state after death. And u will have to face the very thing that you jest at now.

And that's a complete load of bullshit.