Do you support the statement that "Mexicans do the jobs that Americans Don't Want To Do" ?

[7figz]

I hear a lot of people say this shit but I don't agree with the statement. There's so many other factors -

- I think a poor person would do a job for money (period) unless they're a person that just doesn't want to work.

- Then in comparing Americans to foreigners, let's say Mexicans. If an American invested a certain amount of money in a college education, would you really expect them to want to stock fruit stands or accept less than minimum wage ?

- Or for an American citizen who got a record compared to a foreigner who you just simply don't know if they have a record, isn't there a big ass difference ? A potential employer can pull a rap-sheet or whatever public record on American and refuse you a job vs a foreigner who could've been an assassin in another country but there's no record here to discriminate against them.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

don't pay enough for the work required an cultural financial stigmas an Western world spending habits

 

[Sandinista]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

 

[7figz]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

 

[VulcanRaven]

It's not a true statement at all. By the numbers its false. Mexicans make up a smaller percentage than blacks so blacks are doing those jobs mostly that they claim they don't want to do.

 

[Sandinista]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

 

[7figz]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

So it sounds like you support the statement but know that it's only because the shit is illegal...

which I think should be the response to any MF who says shit like this.

I think it's a bullshit comparison to make against a citizen that's following the labor rules and a MF that ain't.

It's a convo that comes up more often now that this wall shit is getting talked about.

Person 1: Mexicans taking jobs from us.

Person 2: Nah, they doing the jobs we wouldn't do. Name a Black man that'll work in some stink ass fish market.

etc...

 

[Sandinista]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

So it sounds like you support the statement but know that it's only because the shit is illegal...

which I think should be the response to any MF who says shit like this.

I think it's a bullshit comparison to make against a citizen that's following the labor rules and a MF that ain't.

It's a convo that comes up more often now that this wall shit is getting talked about.

Person 1: Mexicans taking jobs from us.

Person 2: Nah, they doing the jobs we wouldn't do. Name a Black man that'll work in some stink ass fish market.

etc...

You're just splitting hairs to be argumentative...or because you have an opinion and you want to twist facts to back up your opinion.

The OP did not specify between "legal" and "illegal" so I answered the question. And it really doesn't matter. The "illegal" jobs are open to American citizens too. I worked many a hot ass roofing gig taking cash under the table with American citizens back in the day.

Americans are just less apt to take them shitty jobs than immigrants are.

Take farm hand jobs for example. 400,000 immigrant laborers work on the jobs right now.

SOURCE:http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/...roduction-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/

How many jobless blacks from say, Atlanta or Richmond, do you know are traveling to the Eastern Shore of Virginia to pick tomatoes at 5 am?

 

[7figz]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

So it sounds like you support the statement but know that it's only because the shit is illegal...

which I think should be the response to any MF who says shit like this.

I think it's a bullshit comparison to make against a citizen that's following the labor rules and a MF that ain't.

It's a convo that comes up more often now that this wall shit is getting talked about.

Person 1: Mexicans taking jobs from us.

Person 2: Nah, they doing the jobs we wouldn't do. Name a Black man that'll work in some stink ass fish market.

etc...

You're just splitting hairs to be argumentative...or because you have an opinion and you want to twist facts to back up your opinion.

The OP did not specify between "legal" and "illegal" so I answered the question. And it really doesn't matter. The "illegal" jobs are open to American citizens too. I worked many a hot ass roofing gig with American citizens back in the day.

Americans are just less apt to take them shitty jobs than immigrants are.

Take farm hand jobs for example. 400,000 immigrant laborers work on the jobs right now.

SOURCE:http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/...roduction-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/

How many jobless blacks from say, Atlanta or Richmond, do you know are traveling to the Eastern Shore of Virginia to pick tomatoes at 5 am?

Nah bruh, I'm not splitting hairs or trying to be argumentative. I am the OP and I'm trying to see your point of view.

If the statement is that Americans won't take jobs, but you say they're illegal jobs, then I'm questioning why not say American's won't take illegal jobs.

Let me put it another way, ignore the OP...

Do you believe that there are legal jobs that Mexicans will take that Americans won't take ?

 

[7figz]

And I'm asking this shit because I think that if somebody needs a job, and they believe in working, they'll take whatever they get - American / Otherwise.

It's like comparing a person who doesn't have the mental capacity to make a decision to agreeing to something that someone who does wouldn't agree to... or let's just say ignorance vs lack of ignorance and I just don't thing it's an "apples to apples" comparison.

 

[Sandinista]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

So it sounds like you support the statement but know that it's only because the shit is illegal...

which I think should be the response to any MF who says shit like this.

I think it's a bullshit comparison to make against a citizen that's following the labor rules and a MF that ain't.

It's a convo that comes up more often now that this wall shit is getting talked about.

Person 1: Mexicans taking jobs from us.

Person 2: Nah, they doing the jobs we wouldn't do. Name a Black man that'll work in some stink ass fish market.

etc...

You're just splitting hairs to be argumentative...or because you have an opinion and you want to twist facts to back up your opinion.

The OP did not specify between "legal" and "illegal" so I answered the question. And it really doesn't matter. The "illegal" jobs are open to American citizens too. I worked many a hot ass roofing gig with American citizens back in the day.

Americans are just less apt to take them shitty jobs than immigrants are.

Take farm hand jobs for example. 400,000 immigrant laborers work on the jobs right now.

SOURCE:http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/...roduction-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/

How many jobless blacks from say, Atlanta or Richmond, do you know are traveling to the Eastern Shore of Virginia to pick tomatoes at 5 am?

Nah bruh, I'm not splitting hairs or trying to be argumentative. I am the OP and I'm trying to see your point of view.

If the statement is that Americans won't take jobs, but you say they're illegal jobs, then I'm questioning why not say American's won't take illegal jobs.

Let me put it another way, ignore the OP...

Do you believe that there are legal jobs that Mexicans will take that Americans won't take ?

Yes. Like farm working for example. Immigrants makes up 26% of the agricultural labor force in the US which is more than in other field of labor. Now is it because they've just muscled out blacks, poor whites and other minorities or is it because historically those jobs went unfilled due to lack of interest or access from those groups?

I don't have an answer to that. If you do please throw up some numbers and figures. I'm curious myself.

Now when you take "under the table" gigs off the discussion then yeah, the number of positions Americans won't take goes down but they still exist.

 

[808HiLife808]

hell yea its true. we dont have a whole lot of mexican immigrants here, but filipinos and micronesians do those same jobs...with pride too. they say shit like we "americans are spoiled and dont want to work hard.." and "in my country _____"

unless theyre in dire straits or dont really have other options most mfs are NOT tryna work at them street car washes or be in the field pickin up pineapples and shit..

 

[7figz]

Absolutely. And it's a sad thing really. Mexicans (and other immigrants for that matter) are not used to the shit we take for granted in the US as workers.

They're not used to a legally guaranteed minimum wage, labor safety rules, OSHA, unions, etc. so they'll gladly take shit jobs that an American citizen would either think twice to get or have to be really desperate to get.

They'll work shitty, back breaking construction jobs that pay like $2 an hour under the table in dangerous ass conditions because the companies who hire them know they're not gonna complain to no OSHA and that they'll be thankful for them $2 an Hour.

They'll work shitty, back breaking farmhand jobs from 5 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for shit money, getting sprayed by herbicides/pesticides/fungicides and shit with not even a goddamn paper mask to put on.

So yeah..."Mexicans" will do those jobs because Americans, even the most desperate ones, have lots of other options.

So are you saying "Mexicans" will take the illegal jobs ? Because paying people less than minimum wage and all that other shit is just straight up illegal, right ?

Wouldn't that statement then be "Mexicans Do The Illegal Jobs That Americans Won't Do" ?

Sure. The OP didn't specify between "legal" and "illegal" jobs tho.

And the illegality of it is my whole point: Americans know they are entitled to certain protections and rules as workers. Most poor immigrants don't. And many of them are so desperate they wouldn't care if they did know.

Specially if they're undocumented. Then their employers know 100% they can exploit the shit out of them.

So it sounds like you support the statement but know that it's only because the shit is illegal...

which I think should be the response to any MF who says shit like this.

I think it's a bullshit comparison to make against a citizen that's following the labor rules and a MF that ain't.

It's a convo that comes up more often now that this wall shit is getting talked about.

Person 1: Mexicans taking jobs from us.

Person 2: Nah, they doing the jobs we wouldn't do. Name a Black man that'll work in some stink ass fish market.

etc...

You're just splitting hairs to be argumentative...or because you have an opinion and you want to twist facts to back up your opinion.

The OP did not specify between "legal" and "illegal" so I answered the question. And it really doesn't matter. The "illegal" jobs are open to American citizens too. I worked many a hot ass roofing gig with American citizens back in the day.

Americans are just less apt to take them shitty jobs than immigrants are.

Take farm hand jobs for example. 400,000 immigrant laborers work on the jobs right now.

SOURCE:http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/...roduction-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/

How many jobless blacks from say, Atlanta or Richmond, do you know are traveling to the Eastern Shore of Virginia to pick tomatoes at 5 am?

Nah bruh, I'm not splitting hairs or trying to be argumentative. I am the OP and I'm trying to see your point of view.

If the statement is that Americans won't take jobs, but you say they're illegal jobs, then I'm questioning why not say American's won't take illegal jobs.

Let me put it another way, ignore the OP...

Do you believe that there are legal jobs that Mexicans will take that Americans won't take ?

Yes. Like farm working for example. Immigrants makes up 26% of the agricultural labor force in the US which is more than in other field of labor. Now is it because they've just muscled out blacks, poor whites and other minorities or is it because historically those jobs went unfilled due to lack of interest or access from those groups?

I don't have an answer to that. If you do please throw up some numbers and figures. I'm curious myself.

Now when you take "under the table" gigs off the discussion then yeah, the number of positions Americans won't take goes down but they still exist.

I ain't bout that farm life (too ignorant about that industry) to speak on the facts about it.

I would think that there are American farmers tho who just want to get paid - and I'd imagine they'd be able to employ foreign farm workers cheaper illegally but I don't think that means an American wouldn't do the job if it was offered to them and they needed the money but like I said, I don't know about that shit so I'll leave it alone.

The fish market, fruit stand, and hard labor jobs tho - BS. I think Americans will do that shit just as much if they paid the legal wage.

 

[rickmogul]

Said it in another post but don't mind doing again for the culture. Lost a gig and had a 3 month old Brand New Whip! Got a gig thru a buddy with the city contractor. Guats, Mex,DR, PR, Ecqua, El Salvador we all worked shoulder to shoulder. U name it we did it. Turned me in2 a Young Black Jack of all trades man it did. While it wasn't the most bread I kept my whip and stayed afloat. With that said, let push come to shove and the true hustla will come out of u and u'll be surprised where u work and what u do to feed wifey and them little ones ( if u have em) or even ya self. I think the heavier % lies with the work it's self not the wage that has most folks throw the hand up like nah I'm straight on that fam.

 

[7figz]

Said it in another post but don't mind doing again for the culture. Lost a gig and had a 3 month old Brand New Whip! Got a gig thru a buddy with the city contractor. Guats, Mex,DR, PR, Ecqua, El Salvador we all worked shoulder to shoulder. U name it we did it. Turned me in2 a Young Black Jack of all trades man it did. While it wasn't the most bread I kept my whip and stayed afloat. With that said, let push come to shove and the true hustla will come out of u and u'll be surprised where u work and what u do to feed wifey and them little ones ( if u have em) or even ya self. I think the heavier % lies with the work it's self not the wage that has most folks throw the hand up like nah I'm straight on that fam.

Facts. If Black Americans selling bottles of water in traffic, damn near getting hit by cars, walking around picking up dog shit with special "dog-shit-sticks", Black women wiping old white people asses in nursing homes, working warehouse shit that ain't paying much, etc.. I don't see how MFs act like people won't do a job because it's demeaning. Some underpaying shit is a different story.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

It's not the jobs per se, it's the pay they do said jobs for. No American born person is doing menial tasks for $10 a day

 

[rickmogul]

Como dice el dicho ( Learned that Saturday night) : U know how the saying goes: A job ain't nothing but work @ the end of the day. I've dug Graves and secured the highest of gigs with (get this) 2 of the WORLD'S most recognized Fortune 500 companies @ their corporate locations and walked after I got tired with ZERO regrets and doing just fine right now. Again, Jobs ain't nutn but work man and we all perform daily just as 7figz emphasized.

 

[farris2k1]

It's not the jobs per se, it's the pay they do said jobs for. No American born person is doing menial tasks for $10 a day

This

 

[7figz]

It's not the jobs per se, it's the pay they do said jobs for. No American born person is doing menial tasks for $10 a day

Nah sis, Walmart and Kroger both pay below $10 / hr. You ever see how many people back bags sometimes in grocery stores, they probably getting even less.

I also just read that Mickey D's pays $10 for part time workers.

And a lot of Americans work these jobs.

 

[rickmogul]

I wonder how this UBI ( Universal Basic Income) will affect Everything when this mass Exodus if D.A.C.A. happens. We all will bare witness in less than 6 mos. Welcome 2 what some of us asked for!