Did the book of Exodus really happen?

[Ajackson17]

No thread needed but let the feelings be felt.

 

[bignorm]

Did the Trojan War really happen?

 

[The_Jackal]

1 Faith. Though their is proof of Jewish Shepard being in the area.

2. It was the more widely known name so the scribes used it.

3 They didnt. Most of them died.

 

[Ajackson17]

Exodus the story is fiction but the Hebrews did live there but not as slaves but conquerors.

 

[zombie]

the story is most likely a disjointed tale of events that really happened to people living in egypt that descended from immigrants to that land.

 

[janklow]

i mean, i am sure there ARE people who take every word of the Bible as literal, but somehow i suspect it's not a majority opinion even among religious types. just seems a little desperate, man

 

[soul rattler]

1 Faith.

 

[LUClEN]

It did happen and I can prove it

It says so right in this book

 

[Ajackson17]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

The reason the cities were named but didn't exist at the time comes down to the Roman adaptation of the Septaguint, which was basically the Greek name for their translation of the Bible. So in the translation process they changed the names from what they were originally to what they became known as and were called by the Romans.

Do you know a proper translated Hebrew Bible, I remember @waterproof said something about it and @judahxulu‌

 

[The_Jackal]

Ignore everything else except one statement I made in order to discredit the legitimate points I made. Faith is one of the major tenants of Christianity can't be one without having faith. I personally think the number was overestimate d

 

[Ajackson17]

Ignore everything else except one statement I made in order to discredit the legitimate points I made. Faith is one of the major tenants of Christianity can't be one without having faith. I personally think the number was overestimate d

Grossly overestimated too, I think there was like 10,000. But the archeology is interesting.

 

[Ajackson17]

The thing is the hyskos weren't that big

 

[Ajackson17]

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

The reason the cities were named but didn't exist at the time comes down to the Roman adaptation of the Septaguint, which was basically the Greek name for their translation of the Bible. So in the translation process they changed the names from what they were originally to what they became known as and were called by the Romans.

Do you know a proper translated Hebrew Bible, I remember @waterproof said something about it and @judahxulu‌

http://www.mechanical-translation.org/

They sell a book, but if you just want a straight link to the Tanakh in full...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/jpstoc.html

Thanks bro, I appreciate it!

 

[Ajackson17]

After reading some of the translation, i have more questions. So I take it there were humans prior to Adama but he was different and eden was definitely in africa.

 

[kingblaze84]

In before Waterproof mentions the Armenians

 

[kingblaze84]

1 Faith.

LMAO

 

[Ajackson17]

Also, that Yahweh isn't the only Elohim. In fact it appears to be a race after studying from what I head on Canaan history. It's interesting.

 

[Ajackson17]

I'm going to get this book though. So much information and researching that Abraham was related to the hyskos kings

 

[soul rattler]

i mean, i am sure there ARE people who take every word of the Bible as literal, but somehow i suspect it's not a majority opinion even among religious types. just seems a little desperate, man

I would bet money that any person that goes on television saying that the story of Exodus did not actually happen would be called anti-Semetic. The bible was meant to be taken literally, whether you agree it's bullshit or not.

Why is there no proof of the supposed plagues, a parted Red Sea, Jewish slaves in Egypt, Moses, etc?

Why does the bible mention Egyptian cities that didn't even exist at the same time?

How could thousands of people live wandering through a desert for 40 years?

Somebody get in here and make up an excuse for this imaginary tale.

The reason the cities were named but didn't exist at the time comes down to the Roman adaptation of the Septaguint, which was basically the Greek name for their translation of the Bible. So in the translation process they changed the names from what they were originally to what they became known as and were called by the Romans.

So, at best, it was an inaccurate description of events that may or may not have occurred. Nice.

Ignore everything else except one statement I made in order to discredit the legitimate points I made. Faith is one of the major tenants of Christianity can't be one without having faith. I personally think the number was overestimate d

Faith is not a necessity in acknowledging historical events. All you need are facts.

 

[Ajackson17]

Abraham was basically the surviving son of a dead empire, an uncrowned king empowered by divine right, so basically the story is really about testing his devotion to his divine right by being willing to kill his sole potential rival, his own son and heir, and by showing that abject devotion he was promised a new empire that would last through the ages. That empire is still going based on faith. It's all adapted allegorical tales of previous faiths.

From that debate link...

Saint Augustine, the eminent early Church leader, himself admitted "That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist", i.e. that christianity is simply a retelling of the ancient savior mythologies that have always existed among civilizations. The Christian Father Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 CE) even admitted that christianity offered nothing new that did not exist in ancient pagan religions. In Justin Martyr's First Apology and his Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr admits to similarities between Christianity and the many ancient savior gods; he admits to virgin births, of miraculous healings, and deaths and resurrections, of other savior gods outside of christianity (e.g. Justin admits to Hercules' virgin birth, resurrection, and ascension to heaven. Justin admits to Perseus' virgin birth, and how Aesculapius raised the dead and did miraculous healings and imitated the prophecies about Christ). Lactantius (240-330 CE), an early Church writer, wrote, so as to convince the pagan elite to convert to christianity, about how the ancient pagan savior-god stories were proof that christianity was a valid religion, since christianity was thus as valid as those religions

So it's basically a case of "well they told a story, why can't I? WTF is plagiarism? It's inspiration and a homage!" but then in later years it turned into a case of trying to claiming original ownership. It's why the Romans feared the Moors so much when they came as conquerors, why they destroyed and "reinterpreted" so many texts, why the different empires fought for influence using the same basic ideals, whether Byzantine or Roman or any other.

It all seems to be originally rooted in Akkadian myths.

Right. That's really dope!