Dallas "black" officers torn between police work, communities of color…

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What it used to be like

When Dallas police Lt. Herbert Ashford was patrolling the streets of Dallas south of Interstate 30 in the late 1990s, he "didn't get a sense that somehow the community felt differently about me as a black officer compared to, say, my white counterparts.

"What they're looking for is help with their situation," said Ashford, 51, now a Watch Commander in Dallas' central business district. "There was not a racial component from my experience as an officer back in the 1980s and '90s."

Going farther back, he's heard stories from his parents, aunts and uncles "who knew people who were lynched in the South and how things were just crazy back then [with] the racial struggle that they went through ... I've not seen that.

"Now are there officers that have their own agenda? I can't get into the hearts of other officers. I don't know. I'm not seeing that. It's not overt."

The kind of discrimination described by Dallas police Lt. Thomas Glover, 58, has more to do with underlying and perhaps subconscious prejudices than KKK-style vendettas.

He gave what he called a "classic example": In drunken-driving accidents, "if one of the drivers is black, there's that assumption that the person driving drunk was black when it wasn't, it was the other race," said Glover, president of the Black Police Association of Greater Dallas, which has been pushing for police reforms.

"I used to drive an SUV with 22-inch after-market rims," he added. "I probably got stopped a half a dozen times. I've been pulled over for no reason at all by black and white officers, pulling me over just to see who I was. "

It's in traffic enforcement that latent bias comes out the most, Glover believes.

That enforcement disparity leaves black officers at the center of a tug-of-war.

"So co-workers will say, 'You're blue, you're a police officer now. '
Your community expects you to make a difference and your co-workers expect you to police the community in the same way that they do," he said.

In March, the black police association took the controversial position of asking the Chief Brown to step down — a black organization publicly dissing a black chief, something that would have been hard to imagine just a decade ago.

Earlier this month, the association, along with some community groups, pushed for reforms to curb police brutality, including seeking more civilian oversight. Glover said blacks within the department who complain about unequal treatment can pay a price.

"The people who make the sacrifices, who do the reporting, they don't normally benefit in terms of promotions," he said, counting himself in that group. "Your careers are probably stalled."

A police department spokesman did not comment on that charge but noted that 54 percent of the department's top command staff is black or Hispanic.

Coming together

Dallas police Sgt. Willie Ford is also a member of the Black Police Association.

One recent Saturday, Ford and other officers volunteered to spend time at a community block party at the low-income Estell Village Apartments in south Oak Cliff.

The whir of snow cones, flip-flops and blue and purple hair offered residents a good time at a place that has seen its share of shootings and drug-related crimes and the police activity that comes with them.

On this day, the agenda had more to do with free hot dogs, Cheetos and video games.

Erica Pickett, a resident since last year, knows there's "bad blood between black people and the police."

But she said she's teaching her 5-year-old son, Dionte, to "trust the police."

"I don't want him to grow up not liking the police," she said, as a DJ pumped up the crowd.

Pickett, who is black, said it helps that the officers who patrol the area look like her.

"The ones that always patrol here, I know them, they know my family, my dad and my grandmother. They give [Dionte] stickers. We have a good relationship with them, the ones that come over here."

Ford, 57, began his career with the department patrolling the area around Estell Village. Now he hopes that by fostering relationships within the community, police — especially black officers — can help ease the tension.

"Historically we've had negative relationships with the police officers," said the Detroit native, speaking of communities of color.

"Being an African-American male, I do understand the issues that we have to address. We're African-American first and then we're police officers. However, I think you can have a balance in that.

"When I take my uniform off, I know that I'm ... going to be treated pretty much the same as any other African-American male," Ford said as the crowd, mostly blacks, filed by. "So as a Dallas police supervisor, I try to make people understand that how you treat people is important."
 
Lost me when he said 'what about Black on Black crime'...

Why is there no protest ? MF, because they ain't cops... and they don't get away with the shit asshole.
 
7figz;9409590 said:
Lost me when he said 'what about Black on Black crime'...

Why is there no protest ? MF, because they ain't cops... and they don't get away with the shit asshole.

That was the opinion of one officer though.

Good read..I can imagine that it can't be an easy task to be an upstanding black police officer.

After watching that black Houston Metro officer beat that homeless man it makes it difficult to view them differently than any other abusive ass cop.
 
Honestly I wish there were more black officers. You're never gonna get rid of the police so the best we can do is hopefully have people try to change it from within.

I ain't joining that bullshit tho
 


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If he isn't challenging the way the Dallas police department disproportionately policing black communities vs other ethnicities or any other unjust practices then he should start there....

Other than that.......

I don't want to hear about how hard it is being behind enemy lines with no plans to escape or do anything..we've already established that it is the SYSTEM that needs to be destroyed and a new one built , not remodeled or redecorate ....get out or bust a move....but while you think about that people are dying at the hands of people you sit in roll call with , share field tactics and gear with, and people who may be atheist or another religion but put their hand on a bible and swear in with
 
BoyPussy;9409919 said:
Honestly I wish there were more black officers. You're never gonna get rid of the police so the best we can do is hopefully have people try to change it from within.

I ain't joining that bullshit tho

Infiltrating the system is one major solution honestly but is going to take serious time to change things.
 
Our brother Freddy gray showed us that infiltrating the system will not work, when you are that invested in the system, it is almost impossible to carry the mindset that is needed to change the system...black all the way from victim to police to da, to defense lawyers, to judge , to mayor and not 1 person got not even a negligence write-up from the institution much less a criminal charge from the judicial system
 
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Kat;9409666 said:
I can imagine that it can't be an easy task to be an upstanding black police officer.

Look at the other types of black cops they're stuck between:

On the one hand, you got black cops that are -and I know the term's been watered down lately- coons, completely submerged in that right wing Trump/Fox News world, convinced that America's GREAT and ergo there is something inherently wrong with black people. This is the cop from Boyz n the Hood. He blames poor black folk for their own plight. If a racist cop harassed him in another city, he would blame "the thugs for making that fine officer angry".

and on the OTHER hand.....you got street niggas with badges. Straight up. Denzel in Training Day. And only the sloppiest ones ever getting caught.
 
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fuck them sell out ass pigs. they kn ew exactly what they were doing when they made the conscious decision to become an overseer. fuck them and that black ass niglet who lied on his police report after watching the pig in south carolina murder walter scott. fuck them traitor ass mothafuckas.

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Blue culture (another form of white supremacy) is too blame for whatever conflict these coons believe they're going through. The only thing citizens want is for them to do their job justly, like they are suppose to do. Handing out snow cones don't mean shit when you enable your officers to continue their "misdemeanor murders".
 
7figz;9409590 said:
Lost me when he said 'what about Black on Black crime'...

Why is there no protest ? MF, because they ain't cops... and they don't get away with the shit asshole.

The funny part is there has been protest against "Black on Black crime"....The Media just doesn't give a fuck because its not as controversial as Blacks protesting police brutality

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stringer bell;9379543 said:
Somebody just posted this shit on Facebook. My reply to that fuckery...

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Now, show me somebody protesting white on white crime
 
Can't just idly sit by and let those roles & positions of law enforcement be filled by folks that don't have your best interests at heart.

If it's a majority black town, take control of your local agencies and establish the culture in them, from top to bottom.

And that black on black phrase is stupid because most homicides are intraracial; most homicide victims are killed by people that they know and people of their own race.

What actually is troubling is the number of black homicide victims, and how often blacks are victims of homicide in certain areas.
 
R0mp;9411454 said:
Can't just idly sit by and let those roles & positions of law enforcement be filled by folks that don't have your best interests at heart.

If it's a majority black town, take control of your local agencies and establish the culture in them, from top to bottom.

And that black on black phrase is stupid because most homicides are intraracial; most homicide victims are killed by people that they know and people of their own race.

What actually is troubling is the number of black homicide victims, and how often blacks are victims of homicide in certain areas.

Yeah.. That worked real well in Baltimore and Atlanta.. They don't still beat and kill niggas in those cities at all...
 

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