Can someone explain how Chuck D is racist?

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Here's an article that will help, check the link to peep the whole article but here's an excerpt:

answers.com said:
With 1989 came P.E.'s highest visibility and an increase in notoriety. Influential filmmaker Spike Lee included the P.E. single "Fight the Power" on the soundtrack to his hit movie Do the Right Thing; the song became a huge hit and brought the group to the attention of a growing number of white listeners. At the same time, Professor Griff, P.E.'s "minister of information," went public with a variety of anti-Semitic remarks. Suddenly Chuck and his colleagues found themselves in a rhetorical firestorm.

Chuck D quickly fired then rehired Griff--though relegating him to a diminished role--then announced the impending breakup of Public Enemy. Shortly thereafter, when interviewed on cable's Music Television (MTV), he seemed to contradict the proclaimed demise. The Los Angeles Times noted, "Several people who have worked closely with Public Enemy ... express concern about Chuck D's leadership abilities. They don't think Chuck D is a racist or anti-Semitic, but they fear he's in 'over his head' as a social spokesman, a role that was never imagined when the principals in the Public Enemy story first gathered." In his own defense, Chuck D explained to Hilburn in the Los Angeles Times that "the important thing to me was to make it clear that I thought what Griff said was wrong but to also show that we can forgive."

For his part, Griff decided to leave the group of his own cognizance. The conflict didn't end there, however. The success of "Fight the Power," also contained on P.E.'s third album, Fear of a Black Planet, was bolstered by the follow-up single "Welcome to the Terrordome," which in turn ignited more fury over the issues of anti-Semitism and what Hilburn categorized as "self-martyrdom." The lyrics in question included the lines "Crucifixion ain't no fiction / So called chosen, frozen / Apology made to whoever pleases / Still they got me like Jesus."

Chuck D insisted that he'd written the lyrics as a response to how he was treated after the Griff incident and not as a jab at the Jewish population. He complained to Hilburn, "You can't let your artistry be intimidated by the fear that people are going to misinterpret you. To me there's a bit of paranoia going on here. I was talking about a media crucifixion." Yet many refused to accept his stance. Light commented in Rolling Stone, "Public Enemy may still be rap's greatest talent, but the band is becoming increasingly hard to defend."

There's a lot of information about it online, this is another short excerpt from a message board poster that was covered on a website, the name of the poster being Lekeisha on a FECC message board.

ElvisInfoNet.com said:
“I was channel surfing when I came across this discussion with Chuck D about black music and pop culture and while talking about Elvis, race and pop culture, he called Elvis a brilliant musical genius. Chuck D is the same guy who made the famous "Elvis was a racist" comment in his song "Fight The Power".

D was sayin how he wasn't calling Elvis in general a racist but more the image that white Americans painted Elvis as this white music God. Anyway he gave Elvis props and said that the REAL Elvis story has yet to be told. He wants to know why the roots of Elvis gets ignored but the man gets glorified. In other words, he wanted to know why the black musicians who paved the way for Elvis and inspired him always gets pushed to the back and is ignored while his country music influence gets all the attention when we all know that it was black music and culture that was his biggest influence of his life and career.

D said he recently heard a never before released interview with Elvis done in the mid 60's and that he was interested in something Elvis said about wanting to do a blues album as a tribute to his idols before he dies. He said that Elvis did some great blues covers and that they get hidden by the company when marketing his "American idol" status but instead point at his hits that he covered from other artists who were black. He said when he thinks of the "real Elvis" he thinks of Sun and Elvis' comeback. That was when he was real to his craft. He called the '69 Memphis sessions his greatest work after Sun because it was real music and not manufactured. I think he meant it was not "hit making" music but more of a collection of Elvis searching for his roots. At least that's what it sounded to me.

I do agree with what all he said. The black music influence does get pushed aside and somewhat ignored when telling the Elvis story in documentaries. Maybe D will want to tell the "true story" himself and clear the air about Elvis and the racist image he has been portrayed as being in our community. The only way the it will ever be accepted as positive in the black community is if it's told by a black person with historic knowledge. Chuck D seems to have that.

And before some of you attack me as being some type of supporter for him....I'm not. I don't care for his music or any other rap music. I am not a fan of rap.”

Hope this helps, I think anyone who is political and outspoken can end up being labelled, especially if you are in depth with your rhymes and these can be miss-conveyed/misunderstood. It was the 80's and rap was still putting the fear in the People.
 
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (pun intended)

Chuck wasn't a racist. They try and disparage and condem anyone who speaks out and speaks the truth. SO they as usual, fall into their own hypocrisy and label him a racist. Laughable.
 
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RaHaLLdaY;1837256 said:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (pun intended)

Chuck wasn't a racist. They try and disparage and condem anyone who speaks out and speaks the truth. SO they as usual, fall into their own hypocrisy and label him a racist. Laughable.

Yeah, I don't get it. I'm white and not one line that has come out of Chuck's mouth has ever made me think "did he have to say it?". He was more focused on improving life for the black people in the urban areas, not hating on white people or Jews or whatever, so I can never understand this shit he's being labeled as. It reminds me of 2 Live Crew being labeled "misogynists" just because their music was fun and talked about sex in an explicit way while calling women bitches. So what if they use that word, "unfriendly" is a more appropriate word than outright labeling them as haters. Media and activists like to spread bullshit rumors and non-sense talk, so it fits that any music that's not totally inoffensive has to deal with some shit. Specially hip-hop which is mostly a thing for black people and not a "safe" genre.

And worst of all, Geto Boys were dropped from Geffen because they were labeled "racists" yet not one single line in the entire album they released could be labeled anything close to racist. That is if hating on Ronald Reagan or cops is not considered racist (I don't think it is but some idiots do). Like Willie D said, "ain't that the pot calling the kettle black".
 
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First and foremost I want to cosign this powerful thread.

To answer your question, I believe that this was an attempt to vilify a popular MC with a powerful message. One lesson I learned from the so-called East Coast/West Coast beef is that media outlets will make the most outrageous claims with little or no evidence. These publications that write these articles do so for ratings and sales moreso than the truth that they are supposed to report. All they need to do is make a big & loud headline about something controversial and then substantiate that claim with a few lines that are often taken out of context. After they are refuted by somebody like you, they issue a very silent & inconspicuous retraction.

I don't believe a lot of these publications for that reason. That's why Pac & Nas blasted the media in songs that they made.
 
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JokerzWyld;1837422 said:
First and foremost I want to cosign this powerful thread.

To answer your question, I believe that this was an attempt to vilify a popular MC with a powerful message. One lesson I learned from the so-called East Coast/West Coast beef is that media outlets will make the most outrageous claims with little or no evidence. These publications that write these articles do so for ratings and sales moreso than the truth that they are supposed to report. All they need to do is make a big & loud headline about something controversial and then substantiate that claim with a few lines that are often taken out of context. After they are refuted by somebody like you, they issue a very silent & inconspicuous retraction.

I don't believe a lot of these publications for that reason. That's why Pac & Nas blasted the media in songs that they made.

Thanks for your input and you're right. I mean, this popped up in my mind as I was listening to Fear of a Black Planet earlier today and recall reading this ignorant article a while back which disgusted me with the hypocrisy and bullshit that's spewed.

As I searched for it now, I came across this response here.
 
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the label even made elvis hide his love of the sistas

back then labels controlled who you married.......they prolly still do
 
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JokerzWyld;1837422 said:
First and foremost I want to cosign this powerful thread.

To answer your question, I believe that this was an attempt to vilify a popular MC with a powerful message. One lesson I learned from the so-called East Coast/West Coast beef is that media outlets will make the most outrageous claims with little or no evidence. These publications that write these articles do so for ratings and sales moreso than the truth that they are supposed to report. All they need to do is make a big & loud headline about something controversial and then substantiate that claim with a few lines that are often taken out of context. After they are refuted by somebody like you, they issue a very silent & inconspicuous retraction. I don't believe a lot of these publications for that reason. That's why Pac & Nas blasted the media in songs that they made.

EXPLOITATION

Good post.That is why I try my best to only speak on things that I know are FACT. If you notice, these catz on this site must have learned from the best, because rarely do I see people posting facts; just speculative talk.
 
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RaHaLLdaY;1837542 said:
EXPLOITATION

Good post.That is why I try my best to only speak on things that I know are FACT. If you notice, these catz on this site must have learned from the best, because rarely do I see people posting facts; just speculative talk.

Right

Most of the population is addicted to tabloid info rather than hard-hitting, ethical journalism - if such a thing exists.
 
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numbaz...80's baby;1837173 said:
He not racist, he just Pro Black but on the other hand if a white rapper said the same things he'd be considered racist.

agreed, but you have to keep in mind that it's almost like it was necessary, because black people weren't loving themselves, so what would be considered reverse racism is just Black Pride, it's almost like a team that was losing buckling up and getting cocky, whereas when white ppl do it, it's kinda like the team that's cheating braggin about how they're smarter than everyone for cheating
 
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radioraheem;1838302 said:
agreed, but you have to keep in mind that it's almost like it was necessary, because black people weren't loving themselves, so what would be considered reverse racism is just Black Pride, it's almost like a team that was losing buckling up and getting cocky, whereas when white ppl do it, it's kinda like the team that's cheating braggin about how they're smarter than everyone for cheating

It's not even that complicated. Read my post on the previous page and get off the racism tip, his quote was taken out of context for the reasons that I posted on page 1, with articles referenced.
 
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RuffDraft;1838330 said:
It's not even that complicated. Read my post on the previous page and get off the racism tip, his quote was taken out of context for the reasons that I posted on page 1, with articles referenced.

I would've read it if I wasn't this lazy, maybe I will do it tomorrow, but thanks nonetheless for posting it. Anyone read the article I posted? It can be found on the post where I quoted JokerzWyld.

And what was Young-Ice's post about? Is he banned? Cause that's good, that guy was annoying.
 
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numbaz...80's baby;1837173 said:
He not racist, he just Pro Black but on the other hand if a white rapper said the same things he'd be considered racist.

It wouldn't be a fair comparison unless everything else about white and black people were reversed.
 
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rip.dilla;1840525 said:
Who said he was racist?

Tons of people. They may not be here but I've seen countless people making this statement. And you know most political rappers often catch backlash for 'racism', Chuck D is certainly not one of those that deserves this.
 
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Chuck D is racist.

he has a song called "Anti-ni99er machine", and "ni99er" is considered a racial slur.

Dude Chuck D' also used the word "coon" in one of his songs and called his own Black people "house-ni99a's"!

If white people said the garbage that the Black Chuck D says they would be called racist!!
 
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H-Rap 180;1840551 said:
Chuck D is racist.

he has a song called "Anti-ni99er machine", and "ni99er" is considered a racial slur.

Dude Chuck D' also used the word "coon" in one of his songs and called his own Black people "house-ni99a's"!

If white people said the garbage that the Black Chuck D says they would be called racist!!

And I'm pretty sure that "Anti..." addresses racial issues and is about cops and others being some sort of "anti-n!gger machine". And I don't think I've ever heard him use the other words you said. Ice Cube and specially Paris have used the latter though to be honest I've never stumbled upon "coon" in a song, or maybe I have missed it since most of the time the music I play is 'background music' where I'm busy doing something else in the middle of it.

And the sarcasm at the end of the post could be noticed even by an idiot.
 
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ChuckieInDaMurderAve;1840548 said:
Tons of people. They may not be here but I've seen countless people making this statement. And you know most political rappers often catch backlash for 'racism', Chuck D is certainly not one of those that deserves this.

If he's racist, then what are Dead Prez, The Last Poets and Gil Scott-Heron?
 
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