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R2_163;c-9938266 said:who the fuck is not gonna pick jordan?
PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
PanchoYoSancho;c-9940414 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
Clear as day. Great NBA players will be great to a degree regardless of the situation they're in. Great Quarterbacks Can't do shit without their supporting cast.
Crude_;c-9940336 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
Yes, the 2001 Philadelphia 76ers and 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers immediately come to mind.
Marginal or below talent built around one star.
Football is much more of a team sport you can have a great offense but if your defense can't stop anyone you not winning squat. For as great as Brees has been if our defense had been better 2011 we woulda won the superbowl then too. That Niners game still haunts me.
I don't give a shit how good the QB or RB if their line is trash they ain't going nowhere.
Barry Sanders probably would have had all those records if he hadn't retired yet never sniffed winning a superbowl or even made it to the big game.
5 Grand;c-9940484 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940414 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
Clear as day. Great NBA players will be great to a degree regardless of the situation they're in. Great Quarterbacks Can't do shit without their supporting cast.
But I thought the premise of the thread is to "build a dynasty around 1 player". We're not talking about who played on the best team, we're talking about if you could start with one player and build a team around him. I pick Tom Brady because that's pretty much what happened. Nobody from the Superbowl from 2002 was still on the team in the 2017 Superbowl except for Brady.
5 Grand;c-9940484 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940414 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
Clear as day. Great NBA players will be great to a degree regardless of the situation they're in. Great Quarterbacks Can't do shit without their supporting cast.
But I thought the premise of the thread is to "build a dynasty around 1 player". We're not talking about who played on the best team, we're talking about if you could start with one player and build a team around him. I pick Tom Brady because that's pretty much what happened. Nobody from the Superbowl from 2002 was still on the team in the 2017 Superbowl except for Brady.
PanchoYoSancho;c-9941365 said:5 Grand;c-9940484 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940414 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9940277 said:PanchoYoSancho;c-9940145 said:Brady had to rely on his teammates more than Jordan did on his. Basketball and football is apples and oranges as a team game.
so you saying a gifted NBA player with piss poor players around can still stand out vs a gifted NFL player with piss poor players around him?
Clear as day. Great NBA players will be great to a degree regardless of the situation they're in. Great Quarterbacks Can't do shit without their supporting cast.
But I thought the premise of the thread is to "build a dynasty around 1 player". We're not talking about who played on the best team, we're talking about if you could start with one player and build a team around him. I pick Tom Brady because that's pretty much what happened. Nobody from the Superbowl from 2002 was still on the team in the 2017 Superbowl except for Brady.
There's a lot less to build in the NBA than there is in the NFL, so I give it to the NBA player by default.