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BUDDHA The Black Revolutionary and The Black Untouchables of India
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well damn I never heard this shit before you got me studying now...
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ANCIENT BLACK BUDDHA
The statues of ancient Buddahs of the East depected him as having wolly hair is always shown in corn rows, or in a pepper corn style with small tight curls. Original statues of Buddha clearly show him to be Africoid, with the wide nose, thick lips and frizzy, nappy, hair which are distinctive Negro characteristics. In most ancient temples throughout Asia where he is still worshipped, he is shown as jet Black. In fact, in most of the ancient temples of Asia and India, statues of the gods and goddesses have Africoid features with woolly hair in the pepper corn style, while some even have dreadlocks. These pictures of Buddha portray him in no uncertain terms as a Negro with kinky, coiled hair, a flat nose and full lips
Buddha Statue in Vietnam http://media.photobucket.com/image/...20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhavietnam.jpg
Buddha Thailand 9 Century http://media.photobucket.com/image/...gs/Black%20Buddha/buddathailand9thcentury.jpg
Buddha China http://media.photobucket.com/image/...20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhachinese.jpg
Buddha India http://media.photobucket.com/image/...%20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhaindian.jpg
African Massia Men and their ears is the same as Buddha's http://www.newsgroper.com/files/post_images/elderthomaschamberlin.JPG
there are absolutely no historical records that portray Buddha as Aryan or White.
The first people who conceptualized and worshipped the divine image of the Negroid mould of humanity were the Negroes, and they actually started the practice of Buddhism, the world's first missionary religion.
Buddha was an Enlightened Master from the Sakya clan of the Naga Race, and was the first man on earth to preach the great principles of equality, liberty and fraternity. He caused the Nagas to become conscious of their own mind power as opposed to the mantra power.
Buddhism, whose doctrines include the Golden Rule, was established 500 years before Christianity in the area now called the Middle East (Africa). Buddha is not a name but a title meaning Enlightened One, Blessed One, or to Become awake. Over the centuries, there have been several recorded Buddhas like Gautama, Sakayanumi, and Siddhartha. Black Buddhist missionaries introduced Buddhism to China, Japan and other countries.
It is clear therefore that Buddhism did not start in Japan nor China, yet it is professed and practiced by millions of devotees throughout Asia. Under the Black King Ashoka, the religion of this Negro God was spread throughout Europe, even into the remotest parts of Britain. Buddhism actually started on the India Continent where the first inhabitants were Black people who had migrated from Ethiopia some 50,000 years earlier, establishing what is known as the Indus Valley Civilization.
There were two types of Blacks from Africa who created the first civilization of mankind. One was the Nubian, who had broad features and Woolly, Nappy hair, while the other had the aquiline nose with straight hair,(Dravidian) but both were early descendents straight out of Black Africa.
The statues of ancient Buddahs of the East depected him as having wolly hair is always shown in corn rows, or in a pepper corn style with small tight curls. Original statues of Buddha clearly show him to be Africoid, with the wide nose, thick lips and frizzy, nappy, hair which are distinctive Negro characteristics. In most ancient temples throughout Asia where he is still worshipped, he is shown as jet Black. In fact, in most of the ancient temples of Asia and India, statues of the gods and goddesses have Africoid features with woolly hair in the pepper corn style, while some even have dreadlocks. These pictures of Buddha portray him in no uncertain terms as a Negro with kinky, coiled hair, a flat nose and full lips
Buddha Statue in Vietnam http://media.photobucket.com/image/...20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhavietnam.jpg
Buddha Thailand 9 Century http://media.photobucket.com/image/...gs/Black%20Buddha/buddathailand9thcentury.jpg
Buddha China http://media.photobucket.com/image/...20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhachinese.jpg
Buddha India http://media.photobucket.com/image/...%20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/buddhaindian.jpg
African Massia Men and their ears is the same as Buddha's http://www.newsgroper.com/files/post_images/elderthomaschamberlin.JPG
there are absolutely no historical records that portray Buddha as Aryan or White.
The first people who conceptualized and worshipped the divine image of the Negroid mould of humanity were the Negroes, and they actually started the practice of Buddhism, the world's first missionary religion.
Buddha was an Enlightened Master from the Sakya clan of the Naga Race, and was the first man on earth to preach the great principles of equality, liberty and fraternity. He caused the Nagas to become conscious of their own mind power as opposed to the mantra power.
Buddhism, whose doctrines include the Golden Rule, was established 500 years before Christianity in the area now called the Middle East (Africa). Buddha is not a name but a title meaning Enlightened One, Blessed One, or to Become awake. Over the centuries, there have been several recorded Buddhas like Gautama, Sakayanumi, and Siddhartha. Black Buddhist missionaries introduced Buddhism to China, Japan and other countries.
It is clear therefore that Buddhism did not start in Japan nor China, yet it is professed and practiced by millions of devotees throughout Asia. Under the Black King Ashoka, the religion of this Negro God was spread throughout Europe, even into the remotest parts of Britain. Buddhism actually started on the India Continent where the first inhabitants were Black people who had migrated from Ethiopia some 50,000 years earlier, establishing what is known as the Indus Valley Civilization.
There were two types of Blacks from Africa who created the first civilization of mankind. One was the Nubian, who had broad features and Woolly, Nappy hair, while the other had the aquiline nose with straight hair,(Dravidian) but both were early descendents straight out of Black Africa.
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Southern Indian Man from India http://media.photobucket.com/image/.../Blogs/Black%20Buddha/southindianblackman.gif
Modern Black people of Southern India.This Negrito or Ethiopian Black initiated the first migration out of Africa. The next migration was by the Australian Aboriginal. Intermixing between the two groups produced the people of the Indus Valley, then the Paleo Mongoloid race or the Mediterranean Black Mongoloid also came and intermixed, and together, these types made up what is known as India (which means Black). During the time of the Buddha 2,500 years ago (500 B.C.), Black-African people were in the seat of world power, but about 500 years ago the Aryans invaded Northern India causing the native inhabitants to seek sanctuary in the southern areas of India. Battles for supremacy in the Indus Valley between these savage white barbarians and the indigenous Blacks for control of the Black lands lasted for over 1,000 years, and were recorded in The Rig Veda in the form of hymns, which were actually prayers to white Gods to defeat the Blacks. Being unable to defeat the Black Nagas outright because of their advanced military tactics, these nomadic Ayans resorted to corrupting and distorting the Ancient Texts written by the Blacks to create this racist colour caste as a last resort to dominate the Blacks. This corrupted version of the Black's religion (varna system), ensured their superiority while suppressing the Blacks, in much the same way that their European cousins did later through Christianity and Judaism.These nomadic, uncivilized, barbaric tribes of whites who invaded India were in fact civilized by the Blacks, but like their Greek relatives, these whites overthrew the Blacks and destroyed their magnificent civilization.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...N%20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/indianwomen.jpg Orissa women from northeast India. Note the similarity in jewellery worn compared to the African women below
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...sia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/westafricanwoman.jpg
After defeating the Black people, the Aryans (whites) instituted the worst kind of inhumanity in human history against this group of people, in the form of a caste system where Black people were treated worst than animals.
This anti-Black caste system was originally called Brahmanism but is better known as Hinduism, the greatest curse to the Blacks (Sutras) of India. This Aryan, Hindu religion, which is a form of sanctified racism and the source of their devious, oppressive religious ideology, was designed to control and enslave the mind, body and soul of the indigenous Black people of India who had respect for all human beings, and even assured equal status to women. Although a type of caste system was already in place before the whites arrived, the Brahmin intensified and exploited it, putting themselves at the top of the Hindu caste system, while the heavily exploited, degraded, humiliated, slave-like, impoverished so called �Untouchables� who carry the weight of the entire population on their shoulders, are on the bottom rung of this social ladder. These Blacks are the worse victims of Hindu society.
Indian society consisted of four basic groups.
1. Brahmins (priesthood)
2. Kshatriyas (the warrior class)
3. Vaishyas (the merchant class)
4. Sudras / Untouchables / outcastes, the hated ones who refused to compromise or surrender to Aryan dominance.
� These outcast in India consist of the agricultural labourers who are kept segregated in every village.
� They had to eat the carcasses of dead animals.
� They could only eat from broken plates.
� They had to tie a cup around their necks to catch their spit because it was considered to be contaminating.
� They had to tie a broom to their rear ends to hide their tracks, since crossing such tracks was forbidden and deemed to be polluting.
� They could only enter the white neighbourhood at night because their shadow was defiling.
� Blacks had to clean corpses and wear the clothes of the dead.
� Their women were relegated to the function of common LovePeddlers.
This racist system goes hand in hand with the Brahmin religion which is disguised as Hinduism.
Modern Black people of Southern India.This Negrito or Ethiopian Black initiated the first migration out of Africa. The next migration was by the Australian Aboriginal. Intermixing between the two groups produced the people of the Indus Valley, then the Paleo Mongoloid race or the Mediterranean Black Mongoloid also came and intermixed, and together, these types made up what is known as India (which means Black). During the time of the Buddha 2,500 years ago (500 B.C.), Black-African people were in the seat of world power, but about 500 years ago the Aryans invaded Northern India causing the native inhabitants to seek sanctuary in the southern areas of India. Battles for supremacy in the Indus Valley between these savage white barbarians and the indigenous Blacks for control of the Black lands lasted for over 1,000 years, and were recorded in The Rig Veda in the form of hymns, which were actually prayers to white Gods to defeat the Blacks. Being unable to defeat the Black Nagas outright because of their advanced military tactics, these nomadic Ayans resorted to corrupting and distorting the Ancient Texts written by the Blacks to create this racist colour caste as a last resort to dominate the Blacks. This corrupted version of the Black's religion (varna system), ensured their superiority while suppressing the Blacks, in much the same way that their European cousins did later through Christianity and Judaism.These nomadic, uncivilized, barbaric tribes of whites who invaded India were in fact civilized by the Blacks, but like their Greek relatives, these whites overthrew the Blacks and destroyed their magnificent civilization.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...N%20Asia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/indianwomen.jpg Orissa women from northeast India. Note the similarity in jewellery worn compared to the African women below
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...sia/Blogs/Black%20Buddha/westafricanwoman.jpg
After defeating the Black people, the Aryans (whites) instituted the worst kind of inhumanity in human history against this group of people, in the form of a caste system where Black people were treated worst than animals.
This anti-Black caste system was originally called Brahmanism but is better known as Hinduism, the greatest curse to the Blacks (Sutras) of India. This Aryan, Hindu religion, which is a form of sanctified racism and the source of their devious, oppressive religious ideology, was designed to control and enslave the mind, body and soul of the indigenous Black people of India who had respect for all human beings, and even assured equal status to women. Although a type of caste system was already in place before the whites arrived, the Brahmin intensified and exploited it, putting themselves at the top of the Hindu caste system, while the heavily exploited, degraded, humiliated, slave-like, impoverished so called �Untouchables� who carry the weight of the entire population on their shoulders, are on the bottom rung of this social ladder. These Blacks are the worse victims of Hindu society.
Indian society consisted of four basic groups.
1. Brahmins (priesthood)
2. Kshatriyas (the warrior class)
3. Vaishyas (the merchant class)
4. Sudras / Untouchables / outcastes, the hated ones who refused to compromise or surrender to Aryan dominance.
� These outcast in India consist of the agricultural labourers who are kept segregated in every village.
� They had to eat the carcasses of dead animals.
� They could only eat from broken plates.
� They had to tie a cup around their necks to catch their spit because it was considered to be contaminating.
� They had to tie a broom to their rear ends to hide their tracks, since crossing such tracks was forbidden and deemed to be polluting.
� They could only enter the white neighbourhood at night because their shadow was defiling.
� Blacks had to clean corpses and wear the clothes of the dead.
� Their women were relegated to the function of common LovePeddlers.
This racist system goes hand in hand with the Brahmin religion which is disguised as Hinduism.
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In between the wars and the beginning of Brahminism, the Black Buddha and his Buddhist teachings emerged, starting out as a type of reformist Hinduism to eradicate this demonic system and teach enlightenment for all. King Ashoka and Buddha fought against this Aryan penetration and racist caste system, helping to bring the Black Naga Indians back to a level of high civilization. However, this reign by the Blacks of India was hindered mainly because of disunity among India's Blacks, combined with trickery and deceit by the Aryan invaders.
Aryans did not practice this Black Buddhist religion, neither was Buddha an Indo Aryan as advocated by World Buddhist leader Daisaku Ikeda. In fact the Aryans despised Buddhism and destroyed Buddhist universities, even murdering Buddhist scholars, because it preached equality. Though the caste system was originally based on skin colour, it is not the main problem since some dark skinned people can be found at the top of this corrupt, immoral, ungodly system. The problem is the sanctioned oppression of the Black Untouchables for whom there is no justice, and against whom crimes by caste Hindus go unpunished.By the way, those whites are erroneously referred to as Aryan by historians, which is in fact a stolen word from the Sanskrit language of India's Blacks, meaning Noble Cultivator or The Holy, a title reserved for the Rishis or sages who had mastered the sacred science of Aryasatyani. White Christians exploited Christianity and persuaded the Roman Catholic Church to authorize slavery in America, setting out to prove that Black people were lower than the chimpanzee and without a soul. They concealed and distorted the history of this ancient great Black civilization. However, seeing that there was no need for slave labour in India as it existed in America, the White Indians reduced Blacks to an inferior slave position through the Brahman/Hindu religion. Historians, scientists and archaeologists for centuries have covered up and made insignificant historical findings that reveal an African creation or even a connection to many of the world's first civilizations as was the case in Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, Moorish Spain, Shang and Shia China and Mexico. The denial of the contributions to ancient civilizations and the systematic cover-up is based on the maintenance of the myth that Black/African people are inferior as was promoted in Europe, India and the Americas to make slavery acceptable.
Aryans did not practice this Black Buddhist religion, neither was Buddha an Indo Aryan as advocated by World Buddhist leader Daisaku Ikeda. In fact the Aryans despised Buddhism and destroyed Buddhist universities, even murdering Buddhist scholars, because it preached equality. Though the caste system was originally based on skin colour, it is not the main problem since some dark skinned people can be found at the top of this corrupt, immoral, ungodly system. The problem is the sanctioned oppression of the Black Untouchables for whom there is no justice, and against whom crimes by caste Hindus go unpunished.By the way, those whites are erroneously referred to as Aryan by historians, which is in fact a stolen word from the Sanskrit language of India's Blacks, meaning Noble Cultivator or The Holy, a title reserved for the Rishis or sages who had mastered the sacred science of Aryasatyani. White Christians exploited Christianity and persuaded the Roman Catholic Church to authorize slavery in America, setting out to prove that Black people were lower than the chimpanzee and without a soul. They concealed and distorted the history of this ancient great Black civilization. However, seeing that there was no need for slave labour in India as it existed in America, the White Indians reduced Blacks to an inferior slave position through the Brahman/Hindu religion. Historians, scientists and archaeologists for centuries have covered up and made insignificant historical findings that reveal an African creation or even a connection to many of the world's first civilizations as was the case in Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, Moorish Spain, Shang and Shia China and Mexico. The denial of the contributions to ancient civilizations and the systematic cover-up is based on the maintenance of the myth that Black/African people are inferior as was promoted in Europe, India and the Americas to make slavery acceptable.
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c1up;3136225 said:
Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams
Without Malice: The Truth About India, by Iniyan Elango
A History of India, by Romila Thapar
African Presence in Early Asia
AFRICANS IN ASIA (Really Good) Documentary
people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...ce7fd4f7e4
Ptah, KMT, origins of Buddha (Putah or Phutah)
people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...ddcbc580a7
Buddha the African (the real Buddha)
Pic www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/buddha.htm
Article members.tripod.com/jrmoore1...ddha.html
"Sambho and Nagas"...Africans in Asia and the origin of Buddha and all eastern religions
Remember the derogatory story of Little Black Sambo?The story contributed to the typical "pickaninny" use of word "sambo"
as a racial slur...well actually he symbolizes the GODS of Northern Buddhism, God of the Universe and of Asia.
SIDE NOTE: Sambo (racial term) The setting of Bannerman's story was in India — as can be seen by the presence of tigers and the reference to ghee. The book's original illustrations show a Sambo character resembling a golliwog, a European version sometimes viewed as an iconic, racist "darky" stereotype, which could be taken as a stereotype of African people.
The concept of Buddha.
The word "Buddha" denotes not just a single religious teacher who lived in a particular epoch, but a type of person, of which there have been many instances in the course of cosmic time.
The Buddha Siddhartha, Gautama then, is simply one member in the spiritual lineage of Buddha's, which stretches back into the dim recesses of the past and forward into the distant horizons of the future.
Some European scholars have chronicled the truth, the origins of religion and culture and put it squarely in the lap of Africa as it should be. But, they are being systematically discredited along with African Scholars. Today we will look at the origin of the Buddha.
Buddha was not a name but a title meaning Enlighten One, Blessed One, or to Become awake. Over the centuries there have been several chronicled Buddha's, Gautama, Sakayanumi, and Siddhartha.
The name Siddhartha according to Barbara Walker - Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets:
...Siddhartha - the last again, not a name but a title, "Rich in Yogic Power."
These enlightened ones were Africans as attested to by Sir Williams Jones, he called them Cushites. These are excerpts from the book Anacalypsis by G. Higgins.
The a great nation of Blacks* formerly possessed the dominion of Asia, and held the seat of empire at Sidon. These must have been the people called Cushites or Cuthites, described in Genesis; and the opinion that they were Blacks is corroborated by the translators of the Pentateuch, called the Seventy, constantly rendering the word Cush by Ethiopia. …
The religion of Buddha, of India, is well known to have been very ancient. In the most ancient temples scattered throughout Asia, where his worship is yet continued, he is found black as jet, with the flat face, thick lips, and curly hair of the Negro.
There are two exemplars of him brooding on the face of the deep, upon a coiled serpent. To what time are we to allot this Negro ? He will be proved to have been prior to Cristna. He must have been prior to or contemporaneous with the black empire, supposed by Sir William Jones to have flourished at Sidon.
"The Buddha was said to have miraculously begotten by the Lord of Hosts and born to the Virgin Maya. [Maia, Marah, Mari, Maria]."
Again Gerald Massey and the goddesses:
"The genetrix represented as Dea Multimammia - the Diana of Ephesus, is found as a black figure, nor is the hue mystical ONLY, for the features are Negroid as were those of the black Isis in Egypt."
What does this mean? All the Goddesses, including Mary were African in origin brought to all continents by way of an African Priesthood. India is also included when I speak of Africa.
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Ok Great post, I have "The Destruction of the Black Civilization", the others I will be sure to copp
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Essay by Ekowa
The Dravidians Sudanese /Ethiopian Indians
Africa extended into what is now called India. The Dravidians or original peoples sometimes referred to as Dalits are Ethiopians/Africans. The term Dalits means Bound and the name may have been given to them by those who enslaved them and put them in a racist caste system at the lowest levels. the Dalits or Dravidians were the indigenous peoples of India or the Eastern Ethiopians or Eastern Africans.
"The distinction between the black-skinned Sudroid races of southern India and the fair-skinned Aryan races of northern India is not an invention of English colonialist historians; it is a feature mentioned by the earliest Greek travelers who visited south Asia centuries before the advent of Robert Clive.
The ancient Greeks considered the Africans and Sudras (modern Dalits and Dravidians) as belonging to the same `Ethiopian' stock. `Ethiopian' was the Greek word for `Negro', and Greek authors referred to the African Negroes as `Western Ethiopians' and to the Sudroids as `Eastern Ethiopians' (ie. Eastern Negroes) [ cf. Herodotus.VI.70 ]
Witness the following citation from Herodotus -
" The Eastern Ethiopians, [ ie. Sudras ] differed in nothing from the other Ethiopians, save in their language, and the character of their hair. For the Eastern Ethiopians have straight hair, while they of Libya are more woolly-haired than any other people in the world. "
" n other respects India is not unlike Ethiopia, and the Indian rivers have crocodiles like the Ethiopian and Egyptian Nile; and some of the Indian rivers have fish and other large water animals like those of the Nile, save the river-horse: though Onesicritus states that they do have the river-horse also. The appearance of the inhabitants, too, is not so far different in India and Ethiopia; the southern Indians resemble the Ethiopians a good deal, and, are black of countenance, and their hair black also, only they are not as snub-nosed or so woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; but the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians in appearance. " Arrian, `Anabasis Alexandri, Book VIII (Indica),' Chapter 6, tr. E. Iliff Robson (1933)
The Two Ethiopia's:
"I might almost say that the same animals are to be found in India as in Aethiopia and Egypt, and that the Indian rivers have all the other river animals except the hippopotamus, although Onesicritus says that the hippopotamus is also to be found in India. As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in colour, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians. "
It is sometimes alleged that these eminent historians are not referring to the Sudras in general, but only to the Pygmies of the Andamans. This theory is refuted by the following statement of the Periplus, which no doubt describes the tall and black Malabari Dravidians -
Beyond the gulf of Baraca is that of Barygaza and the coast of the country of Ariaca, which is the beginning of the Kingdom of Nambanus and of all India.
"That part of it lying inland and adjoining Scythia is called Abiria, but the coast is called Syrastrene. It is a fertile country, yielding wheat and rice and sesame oil and clarified butter, cotton and the Indian cloths made there from, of the coarser sorts. Very many cattle are pastured there, and the men are of great stature and black in color. The metropolis of this country is Minnagara, from which much cotton cloth is brought down to Barygaza. In these places there remain even to the present time signs of the expedition of Alexander, such as ancient shrines, walls of forts and great wells. The sailing course along this coast, from Barbaricum to the promontory called Papica opposite Barygaza, and before Astacampra, is of three thousand stadia. "Periplus.41
The Makran was referred to by the Greeks as `Gedrosia', ie. the land of the black people. Black Sudroids form a sizeable portion of the population in this region to this day, and formed one of the groups referred to as `East Ethiopians' [ Kondratov, p.145 ]. Indeed, several geographers considered India merely another extension of Ethiopia or Abyssinia -India as a whole originates from the north, embraces all the area which is Persian, and continues as far as Egypt and the lands of Ethiopia. "
Sources:
Riddles of 3 Oceans', Alexander Kondratov
`Anabasis Alexandri, Book VIII (Indica) ' by Arrian, tr. E. Iliff Robson (1933)
`Herodotus, The History' , trans. George Rawlinson, Dutton & Co., N.York, 1862
`Itinerarium Alexandri,' Anonymous, 4th century AD, `Alexander's Itinerary, An English Translation' by Iolo Davies, The Ancient History Bulletin 12.1-2 (1998) 29-54
`The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea: Travel and Trade in the Indian Ocean by a Merchant of the First Century,' W.H. Schoff (tr. & ed.), London, Bombay & Calcutta 1912.
`History of India', Mountstuart Elphinstone, J.Murray, Albemarle Street, London 1841, reprinted 1988, Atlantic Publishers New Delhi 1988.
`Geography,', Strabo, translated by H. L. Jones (ed.), http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/.
The Dravidians Sudanese /Ethiopian Indians
Africa extended into what is now called India. The Dravidians or original peoples sometimes referred to as Dalits are Ethiopians/Africans. The term Dalits means Bound and the name may have been given to them by those who enslaved them and put them in a racist caste system at the lowest levels. the Dalits or Dravidians were the indigenous peoples of India or the Eastern Ethiopians or Eastern Africans.
"The distinction between the black-skinned Sudroid races of southern India and the fair-skinned Aryan races of northern India is not an invention of English colonialist historians; it is a feature mentioned by the earliest Greek travelers who visited south Asia centuries before the advent of Robert Clive.
The ancient Greeks considered the Africans and Sudras (modern Dalits and Dravidians) as belonging to the same `Ethiopian' stock. `Ethiopian' was the Greek word for `Negro', and Greek authors referred to the African Negroes as `Western Ethiopians' and to the Sudroids as `Eastern Ethiopians' (ie. Eastern Negroes) [ cf. Herodotus.VI.70 ]
Witness the following citation from Herodotus -
" The Eastern Ethiopians, [ ie. Sudras ] differed in nothing from the other Ethiopians, save in their language, and the character of their hair. For the Eastern Ethiopians have straight hair, while they of Libya are more woolly-haired than any other people in the world. "
" n other respects India is not unlike Ethiopia, and the Indian rivers have crocodiles like the Ethiopian and Egyptian Nile; and some of the Indian rivers have fish and other large water animals like those of the Nile, save the river-horse: though Onesicritus states that they do have the river-horse also. The appearance of the inhabitants, too, is not so far different in India and Ethiopia; the southern Indians resemble the Ethiopians a good deal, and, are black of countenance, and their hair black also, only they are not as snub-nosed or so woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; but the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians in appearance. " Arrian, `Anabasis Alexandri, Book VIII (Indica),' Chapter 6, tr. E. Iliff Robson (1933)
The Two Ethiopia's:
"I might almost say that the same animals are to be found in India as in Aethiopia and Egypt, and that the Indian rivers have all the other river animals except the hippopotamus, although Onesicritus says that the hippopotamus is also to be found in India. As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in colour, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians. "
It is sometimes alleged that these eminent historians are not referring to the Sudras in general, but only to the Pygmies of the Andamans. This theory is refuted by the following statement of the Periplus, which no doubt describes the tall and black Malabari Dravidians -
Beyond the gulf of Baraca is that of Barygaza and the coast of the country of Ariaca, which is the beginning of the Kingdom of Nambanus and of all India.
"That part of it lying inland and adjoining Scythia is called Abiria, but the coast is called Syrastrene. It is a fertile country, yielding wheat and rice and sesame oil and clarified butter, cotton and the Indian cloths made there from, of the coarser sorts. Very many cattle are pastured there, and the men are of great stature and black in color. The metropolis of this country is Minnagara, from which much cotton cloth is brought down to Barygaza. In these places there remain even to the present time signs of the expedition of Alexander, such as ancient shrines, walls of forts and great wells. The sailing course along this coast, from Barbaricum to the promontory called Papica opposite Barygaza, and before Astacampra, is of three thousand stadia. "Periplus.41
The Makran was referred to by the Greeks as `Gedrosia', ie. the land of the black people. Black Sudroids form a sizeable portion of the population in this region to this day, and formed one of the groups referred to as `East Ethiopians' [ Kondratov, p.145 ]. Indeed, several geographers considered India merely another extension of Ethiopia or Abyssinia -India as a whole originates from the north, embraces all the area which is Persian, and continues as far as Egypt and the lands of Ethiopia. "
Sources:
Riddles of 3 Oceans', Alexander Kondratov
`Anabasis Alexandri, Book VIII (Indica) ' by Arrian, tr. E. Iliff Robson (1933)
`Herodotus, The History' , trans. George Rawlinson, Dutton & Co., N.York, 1862
`Itinerarium Alexandri,' Anonymous, 4th century AD, `Alexander's Itinerary, An English Translation' by Iolo Davies, The Ancient History Bulletin 12.1-2 (1998) 29-54
`The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea: Travel and Trade in the Indian Ocean by a Merchant of the First Century,' W.H. Schoff (tr. & ed.), London, Bombay & Calcutta 1912.
`History of India', Mountstuart Elphinstone, J.Murray, Albemarle Street, London 1841, reprinted 1988, Atlantic Publishers New Delhi 1988.
`Geography,', Strabo, translated by H. L. Jones (ed.), http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/.
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When we see pictures of Indians and India most of us have no knowledge of the Dravidians or Dalits, we see black people but somehow we do not relate to them as part f our family.
The Caste system was instituted by the ruling Aryan class that invaded India. Here a some comments on that history:
"The Dravidians entered India before the Aryans, before 2000 B.C., after passing through Mesopotamia, Iran, and Baluchistan where the Brahuis, a Dravidian race, still live. On grounds of cultural affinities such as inheritance through women, snake cults, organization of society, and structure of temples, some historians connect the Dravidians with the Elamites and Mesopotamians. The evidence of Indian skulls from the Indus Valley indicates that the Mediter-ranean stock became established in north India before the Harappab Civilization came into existence around 2000 B.C."
"Of particular significance is archeologist B. B. Lal's contention that the Dravidians probably came from Nubia, Upper Egypt. This theory would give them among other things their Mediterranean features and dark complexion. Lal writes: "At Timos the Indian team dug up several megalithic sites of ancient Nubians which bear an uncanny resemblance to the cemeteries of early Dravidians which are found all over Western India from Kathiawar to Cape Comorin. The intriguing similarity extends from the subterranean structure found near them. Even the earthenware ring-stands used by the Dravidians and Nubians to hold pots were identical." According to Lal, the Nubian megaliths date from around 1000 B.C."
Here is an excerpt of an essay by Mukesh Paswan:
"Distorted Race Theory"
The term "distorted race theory" in application to the Dravidian movement, which is compared to Nazism and Hindutva. The latest genetic research, which conclusively proves that the Dravidians and Dalits belong to the same Negroid stock.
The poisonous casteism, which the Indian iconoclasts suffering from, is entirely Aryan and Brahmanic origin. Historians have conclusively established that caste did not exist in the pre-Aryan age. It was introduced by racist color-conscious Aryan invaders who wished to "maintain their racial purity" from "contamination" with native Dravidians.
During the Harappan Golden Age, that the Dravidians and Dalits existed as one people, known as `Sudras'. The division between Dravidians and Adi-Dravidians is purely artificial and the result of Aryan invasions, with the former choosing to adopting Aryan culture and submit as slaves to the Aryans and the latter battling the savage Aryans, retaining their freedom in the jungles. Adi-Dravida means - it means `Original Dravidian'.
`Dravida' is Sanskrit :
Dravida is of Sanskrit origin and the term `Sudra' and `Adi-Sudra' are now more in vogue for this very reason. The word `Sudra' is attested from the Vedic Dark Ages, and this word is of African origin, whilst the terms `Dravida' and `Dalit' are much later innovations. The following diagram shows how the Dravidian word `Sudra' is in fact derived from `Sudan' :
Sudan ----> Sudra
(Central Africa) (Black Indian Caste)
Sanskrit
The word 'Hindu' has its origin in Sanskrit literature. In the Rig Veda, India was referred to as the country of'Sapta Sindhu', i.e. the country of seven great rivers. The word 'Sindhu' refers to rivers and sea and not merely to the specific river called the Sindhu (Indus), now in Pakistan. In Vedic Sanskrit, according to ancient dictionaries, 'sa' was pronounced as 'ha'. Thus 'Sapta Sindhu' was pronounced as 'Hapta Hindu'; similarly 'Saraswati' was pronounced as 'Haravyati' or 'Harahwati'. This is how the word 'Hindu' came into being. The ancient Persians also referred to India as 'Hapta Hind', as recorded in their ancient classic 'Bern Riyadh'. That is why some scholars came to believe that the word 'Hindu' had its origin in Persia. The Greeks who invaded India under Alexander the Great, dropped the 'H' completely and used the name Indoos or Indus which later led to the formation of the word 'India'.
Aren't we all Hapi?
Hapi (Hep, Hap, Hapy) was probably a predynastic name for the Nile - later on, the Egyptians just called the Nile iterw, meaning 'the river' - and so it became the name of the god of the Nile. ('Nile' comes from the Greek corruption Neilos - of the Egyptian 'nwy' which means 'water'.) He was mentioned in the Pyramid Texts ("who comest forth from Hep") where he was to send the river into the underworld from certain caverns, where he was thought to have lived at the 1st Cataract.
Is that HAPI another connection between the Africans in Africa and those in India and beyond? The depiction of Hapi himself, though, was that of a rather well-fed, blue or green man with the false beard of the pharaoh on his chin.
Sanskrit is a language which is mother of all languages. Sanskrit, S-a-n-s-k-r-i-t, Sanskrit language. So this is the original language of this..., not only of this planet. In other planets also, this language is spoken. -
Swami Prabhpada
Dravidian Origin: Another view which is not accepted in the west, but which is proposed in India is that the common proto language of Sanskrit was none other than some proto Dravidian language or the language spoken by the Indus people.
Sanskrit is listed with many of the sacred languages [priestly] as in heirogylphs [Egyptian] Geez [Ethiopian], original Hebrew and many others.
The term `Dalit' largely refers to the Hindi-speaking Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The term `Adi-Dravida' (original Dalits) is most generally used by educated `Dravidian Dalits' to refer to themselves. Far from repudiating their Dravidian identity, such persons have reclaimed it from those amongst whom it exists in a purer state
The Caste system was instituted by the ruling Aryan class that invaded India. Here a some comments on that history:
"The Dravidians entered India before the Aryans, before 2000 B.C., after passing through Mesopotamia, Iran, and Baluchistan where the Brahuis, a Dravidian race, still live. On grounds of cultural affinities such as inheritance through women, snake cults, organization of society, and structure of temples, some historians connect the Dravidians with the Elamites and Mesopotamians. The evidence of Indian skulls from the Indus Valley indicates that the Mediter-ranean stock became established in north India before the Harappab Civilization came into existence around 2000 B.C."
"Of particular significance is archeologist B. B. Lal's contention that the Dravidians probably came from Nubia, Upper Egypt. This theory would give them among other things their Mediterranean features and dark complexion. Lal writes: "At Timos the Indian team dug up several megalithic sites of ancient Nubians which bear an uncanny resemblance to the cemeteries of early Dravidians which are found all over Western India from Kathiawar to Cape Comorin. The intriguing similarity extends from the subterranean structure found near them. Even the earthenware ring-stands used by the Dravidians and Nubians to hold pots were identical." According to Lal, the Nubian megaliths date from around 1000 B.C."
Here is an excerpt of an essay by Mukesh Paswan:
"Distorted Race Theory"
The term "distorted race theory" in application to the Dravidian movement, which is compared to Nazism and Hindutva. The latest genetic research, which conclusively proves that the Dravidians and Dalits belong to the same Negroid stock.
The poisonous casteism, which the Indian iconoclasts suffering from, is entirely Aryan and Brahmanic origin. Historians have conclusively established that caste did not exist in the pre-Aryan age. It was introduced by racist color-conscious Aryan invaders who wished to "maintain their racial purity" from "contamination" with native Dravidians.
During the Harappan Golden Age, that the Dravidians and Dalits existed as one people, known as `Sudras'. The division between Dravidians and Adi-Dravidians is purely artificial and the result of Aryan invasions, with the former choosing to adopting Aryan culture and submit as slaves to the Aryans and the latter battling the savage Aryans, retaining their freedom in the jungles. Adi-Dravida means - it means `Original Dravidian'.
`Dravida' is Sanskrit :
Dravida is of Sanskrit origin and the term `Sudra' and `Adi-Sudra' are now more in vogue for this very reason. The word `Sudra' is attested from the Vedic Dark Ages, and this word is of African origin, whilst the terms `Dravida' and `Dalit' are much later innovations. The following diagram shows how the Dravidian word `Sudra' is in fact derived from `Sudan' :
Sudan ----> Sudra
(Central Africa) (Black Indian Caste)
Sanskrit
The word 'Hindu' has its origin in Sanskrit literature. In the Rig Veda, India was referred to as the country of'Sapta Sindhu', i.e. the country of seven great rivers. The word 'Sindhu' refers to rivers and sea and not merely to the specific river called the Sindhu (Indus), now in Pakistan. In Vedic Sanskrit, according to ancient dictionaries, 'sa' was pronounced as 'ha'. Thus 'Sapta Sindhu' was pronounced as 'Hapta Hindu'; similarly 'Saraswati' was pronounced as 'Haravyati' or 'Harahwati'. This is how the word 'Hindu' came into being. The ancient Persians also referred to India as 'Hapta Hind', as recorded in their ancient classic 'Bern Riyadh'. That is why some scholars came to believe that the word 'Hindu' had its origin in Persia. The Greeks who invaded India under Alexander the Great, dropped the 'H' completely and used the name Indoos or Indus which later led to the formation of the word 'India'.
Aren't we all Hapi?
Hapi (Hep, Hap, Hapy) was probably a predynastic name for the Nile - later on, the Egyptians just called the Nile iterw, meaning 'the river' - and so it became the name of the god of the Nile. ('Nile' comes from the Greek corruption Neilos - of the Egyptian 'nwy' which means 'water'.) He was mentioned in the Pyramid Texts ("who comest forth from Hep") where he was to send the river into the underworld from certain caverns, where he was thought to have lived at the 1st Cataract.
Is that HAPI another connection between the Africans in Africa and those in India and beyond? The depiction of Hapi himself, though, was that of a rather well-fed, blue or green man with the false beard of the pharaoh on his chin.
Sanskrit is a language which is mother of all languages. Sanskrit, S-a-n-s-k-r-i-t, Sanskrit language. So this is the original language of this..., not only of this planet. In other planets also, this language is spoken. -
Swami Prabhpada
Dravidian Origin: Another view which is not accepted in the west, but which is proposed in India is that the common proto language of Sanskrit was none other than some proto Dravidian language or the language spoken by the Indus people.
Sanskrit is listed with many of the sacred languages [priestly] as in heirogylphs [Egyptian] Geez [Ethiopian], original Hebrew and many others.
The term `Dalit' largely refers to the Hindi-speaking Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The term `Adi-Dravida' (original Dalits) is most generally used by educated `Dravidian Dalits' to refer to themselves. Far from repudiating their Dravidian identity, such persons have reclaimed it from those amongst whom it exists in a purer state
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tikingjcoleprince
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I'm Indian and this is the truth. Glad people are finally getting this out there, respect to this thread. Only thing is not all "black" indians are bhuddists, and it's not so simple as the aryan "white" indians and the ethiopian/dravidian "black" indians. THe vast majority of us fall somewhere in the middle due to mixing over thousands of years. Shit's crazy tho, we black indians get hell in many ways and are discriminated against and put down by those with more "aryan" blood. Most of us are still hindu or christian though, very few are bhuddist.
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tikingjcoleprince;3157270 said:
Im glad you came in and add to this thread, for you have more knowledge on this then me or anybody else who's dont have the first hand experience. If you can, can you go on and gives us first hand account how you and your people the black dravidan are fighting against the racist caste system, and are any of your people are going back to your earlier ancestors books to gain knowledge and strength because of what i have read over the years, Your ancestors are warriors but peaceful and have vast knowledge of ancient spirtual, holistic medicine and of the elements.
Are you and your people connected our feel connected to the sharing of african ancestry.
Brother the truth is coming out more than ever, Something special is going on in this world with the indgenious people of color. Everything that was lost or hidden will be restored to us by YAUHUWAH
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waterproof;3157408 said:
Well I was born and raised here in the USA, so even i don't have a complete first hand experience, and i'm not a pure dravidian, my mom's side has a lot of the aryan white blood, but i'll say what i can.
One thing i think that people need to understand is with most indians they aren't aryan, or dravidian. Most indians have at least a little of each, which is why most indians don't look white completely, or black completely. Where we fall on the white-->black spectrum is what drives the caste system and the socio economic structure. Also, generally as you go from north to south geographically, the people go from aryan to dravidian, since the aryan invaders came from the north and mixed more with the people in the north. SO the northerners are usually richer, more powerful, and more white looking. Kinda like this:
First regarding the african heritage, yes and no. My family is well aware of our african ancestors, and so we are a lot more open with black people in america than most indians here (Since the "white" Aryan indians are the rich, high caste ones, they are almost always the only ones who can afford, or get the opportunity to come to america). But the sad thing i see is, even with my own parents, that they are much quicker to embrace that they are aryan than that they are dravidian, because for indians it has been beaten into our minds for thousands of years that white is good and black is bad. That's why you'll often see indians act like complete assholes to black people, because in the homeland, they act like assholes to black indians. Even my own cousins on my mom side, (my mom's side is much more aryan) look down on me and my siblings subtely, and there's a sort of unstated superiority that still exists.
But with my family, unlike most indian families in america, we are pretty dark skinned, darker than most black people, and we have fuller lips, broader noses, and generally more african features, so we are at the very least accepting that we do have african heritage. We are also not at all ashamed about it, but thats more because we live in america around black and white people, and aren't in india facing the constant propaganda and attitude of white superiority.
The few times i've been to india, the situation has horrified me. The people are so brainwashed into the concept that white skin and european features are better, that it is almost impossible for a low caste, black indian to improve their situation. And even when they get opportunity, they often don't seize it because they feel like they are meant to be inferior, and so see no point in trying. Sometimes people will build schools in low caste communities to help them, but parents often dont allow their kids to go because they think low caste people aren't "meant" to be educated and are inherently stupid and inferior. The cycle continues in this manner for generations, and only in recent years has any change been happening. Still, almost every successful indian has a good percentage of aryan blood and has "white" features and is usually from a high caste.
The fight has started though. Indians are for the first time becoming aware of and accepting that not all of us are "Caucasian" like we have so long believed, and we are learning to love and appreciate our African roots. Many black indians are converting to Christianity to break out of the racist Hindu Caste system, and a few are trying to get educated. Movements are cropping up, although slowly, around the country to try and educate the people and show them that the caste system is outdated and should be abolished. Still, unfortunately, most of the movements are being led by Aryans who have noticed the injustice around them. Most of the black indians have been subjugated for so long they have lost all hope and dont see the point in even trying to fight. A lot don't even think they are being treated unfairly, they have simply accepted that they are inferior. But as people like me grow up, we are trying to go back and change the situation for our people. They days of black subjugation are slowly coming to an end :]
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^^^^^^^^^tikingjcoleprince thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with us! You touched on a lot of issues people wanted to know and it's very sad how the Black/Dravidians are treated and the thousands of years of brainwashing by the Northern/Aryan indians is straight sad to the point that they believe they are inferior. We have the same brainwashing over here in The United States being that you was born here i know that you are aware of that. It's a great thing to hear that our brothers are waking up in South India and i hope that they continue the fight by going foward and reaching back into the past when The Blacvk Dravidans was fighting and protecting yall land.
I always knew the difference being that i live in the Bay Area, South Bay to be exact and we have a huge Indian Population from Northern to Southern India. I have a lot's of Punjab's patna's and they are some cool ass dudes, down with the brothers. But the Northern one's i can tell because they look at me like dirt when i go into their store or see them around they will have a nasty ass look on their face, with a fuck up attitude that you really feel like slapping the shit out of them.
My daughter is in Girl scouts and there is a heavy Indian presence in Girl scouts and my wife came home talking about how rude the Northern Indians are towards everybody else and how they act like they are better and keep to themselves and she said there is one black indian in the group and they dont even acknowledge her or speak to her and my wife was like one of the few women who talks to the black indian and she didnt understand why until i broke it down to her.
But again there is a change coming and we are awaking up everywhere. SHALOM!
I always knew the difference being that i live in the Bay Area, South Bay to be exact and we have a huge Indian Population from Northern to Southern India. I have a lot's of Punjab's patna's and they are some cool ass dudes, down with the brothers. But the Northern one's i can tell because they look at me like dirt when i go into their store or see them around they will have a nasty ass look on their face, with a fuck up attitude that you really feel like slapping the shit out of them.
My daughter is in Girl scouts and there is a heavy Indian presence in Girl scouts and my wife came home talking about how rude the Northern Indians are towards everybody else and how they act like they are better and keep to themselves and she said there is one black indian in the group and they dont even acknowledge her or speak to her and my wife was like one of the few women who talks to the black indian and she didnt understand why until i broke it down to her.
But again there is a change coming and we are awaking up everywhere. SHALOM!
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tikingjcoleprince
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yep, my man, i can believe everything u said. shit's damn sad, a light skin indian will do anything to try and fit in with white people, but won't do shit for a dark skinned indian brother, or a black or latino dude. But to everyone out there thats ever been mistreated by an indian, or talked down to, don't think we're all like that. Unfortunately only the rich light skin ones are the able to come here, so all the indians here seem to be assholes, but indians from the south or punjabi indians, we're real cool with everyone. Like Jay Sean, he's light skinned, but he's punjabi, and he kicks it with mainly black dudes, and he's real tight with em.
But at the end of the day, black dudes from all around the world are beginning to fight, and we will continue to fight. Hopefully when i get a decent job here, and some money saved up, i can go home and help the struggle.
But at the end of the day, black dudes from all around the world are beginning to fight, and we will continue to fight. Hopefully when i get a decent job here, and some money saved up, i can go home and help the struggle.
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musicology1985
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Great thread...Runoko Rashidi would be proud.
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musicology1985;3162797 said:
Drop some knowledge on Runoko Rashidi
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What they never told you in History class.
by
Indus K. Kush
The ancient Indians were described by Professor Lynn Thorndike as
‘Short, black men with almost Negro noses.’
Short History of Civilization p. 227
Dr. Will Durant pictures theses early Hindus as:
‘dark skinned, broad nosed people whom, without knowing the origin of the word, we call Dravidians.’
Our Oriental Heritage. P. 396
Shiva
The early Aryan literature of India, the hymns of the Rigvedas, which, it is commonly agreed, date from about 1000BC speak of the people whom the proud Aryan invaders found in India as black sinned…’ John Jackson Man, Go, and Civilization.
The Indus valley Civilization was a work written by Sir Mortimer Wheeler and on the book jacket it was reported that:
‘ In 1922 at Harappa, a small town in the Punjab, and in 1922 at Mahenjo-daro in Sind, evidence was discovered of an evolved urban culture nearly 2,000 years older than any previously recognized in the Indo-Pakistan subcontinent"…’From the distribution of the sites foist explored, the culture was named the Indus Valley Civilization…"
" …a third body of evidence come from the city Chanhu-Daro which was excavated in 1031. We are now aware of the staggering 1000 Indus Valley cities covering a cultural area of more than 1100 miles east to west and 800 miles north or south, all which are pre-Aryan.
‘…the revelation of the Indus Valley Civilization, constructed and enveloped by the south Indian Dravidians, descendants of the Nile Valley, ahs led to a complete revision of Indian History.’ Dr. Runoko Rhasidi – Nile Valley Civilization.
‘The Ganges River, sacred to India is named after an Ethiopian King of that name who conquered Asia as far as this river.’ J.A. Rodgers - 100 amazing facts about the Negro.
There’s more!
The word Hindu is found, of course, in Persian literature. Hindu-e-falak means ‘the black of the sky’ and ‘Saturn’. In the Arabic language Hind not Hindu means nation. It is shameful and ridiculous to have read all along in history that the name Hindu was given by the Persians to the people of our country when they landed on the sacred soil of Sindhu." (R. N. Suryanarayan, Universal Religion, p 1-2, published from Mysore in 1952.)
The word Hindu may be as old as the Indus Valley Civilization. To find the meaning of ‘Hindu’ one ought to look at the term ‘Hindu Kush’ (killer of Hindus?/or Kush meaning the Biblical Ethiopian). Who were the people, who named this mountain range as Hindu Kush? Why these mountains were called the killers of Hindus? As I mentioned earlier, the Indian subcontinent was inhabited by dark complexioned people before the migration of Caucasian tribes from Caucasus.
The fair skinned Caucasian tribes who lived on the Northwest of Hindu Kush Mountain range called the Indian subcontinent as the land of Hindus (land of black people). The Northwest expansion of the inhabitants of Indus Valley was prevented by of Hindu Kush Mountains. Whenever the plain dwelling Hindus attempted to cross these mountains, they met death due harsh terrain and heavy snow. That is how these mountains were given the name Hindu Kush by mountain dwelling Caucasian tribes.
Hindu’ means black, he would have been hesitant to accept it, as the inferiority complex of ‘blackness’ is deeply imbedded in the psyche of Indians. Most Indians except the Dalits consider themselves as the descendents of Caucasian tribes, who ruled over India before the onslaught of Muslims. So for Hindus to accept that ‘Hindu’ means black would make them descendents of native Indians, who are black people That is why Hindus insist that ‘Hindu’ is the corrupted form of Sindhu [River]. Indians of today are the products of thousands of years of miscegenation between Caucasian groups and native Indians.
In Pashto, the language of the dominant Afghan tribe of Pashtoons, Hindu is pronounced as Indu (h is silent). The Greeks called the people of Indus Valley Indos or Indus and hence, the name India. The Muslims called it Hindustan. http://www.dalitstan.org/sol/hindu.html
Here's even more!
‘ F. Willord states: ‘It is certain that very ancient statues of the Gods of India have crisp hair and the features of Negroes. Some have caps… Others indeed seem to have locked curled…But this will not account for the thick lips and the noses of the ancient images; nor can it be reasonably doubted that a race of Negroes formally had power and preeminence in India. In several parts of India the mountaineers still have resemblance to Negroes in the countenance and hair which is curled and has a tendency to wool.’ [Asiatick Researches, Vol. III, London].
by
Indus K. Kush
The ancient Indians were described by Professor Lynn Thorndike as
‘Short, black men with almost Negro noses.’
Short History of Civilization p. 227
Dr. Will Durant pictures theses early Hindus as:
‘dark skinned, broad nosed people whom, without knowing the origin of the word, we call Dravidians.’
Our Oriental Heritage. P. 396
Shiva
The early Aryan literature of India, the hymns of the Rigvedas, which, it is commonly agreed, date from about 1000BC speak of the people whom the proud Aryan invaders found in India as black sinned…’ John Jackson Man, Go, and Civilization.
The Indus valley Civilization was a work written by Sir Mortimer Wheeler and on the book jacket it was reported that:
‘ In 1922 at Harappa, a small town in the Punjab, and in 1922 at Mahenjo-daro in Sind, evidence was discovered of an evolved urban culture nearly 2,000 years older than any previously recognized in the Indo-Pakistan subcontinent"…’From the distribution of the sites foist explored, the culture was named the Indus Valley Civilization…"
" …a third body of evidence come from the city Chanhu-Daro which was excavated in 1031. We are now aware of the staggering 1000 Indus Valley cities covering a cultural area of more than 1100 miles east to west and 800 miles north or south, all which are pre-Aryan.
‘…the revelation of the Indus Valley Civilization, constructed and enveloped by the south Indian Dravidians, descendants of the Nile Valley, ahs led to a complete revision of Indian History.’ Dr. Runoko Rhasidi – Nile Valley Civilization.
‘The Ganges River, sacred to India is named after an Ethiopian King of that name who conquered Asia as far as this river.’ J.A. Rodgers - 100 amazing facts about the Negro.
There’s more!
The word Hindu is found, of course, in Persian literature. Hindu-e-falak means ‘the black of the sky’ and ‘Saturn’. In the Arabic language Hind not Hindu means nation. It is shameful and ridiculous to have read all along in history that the name Hindu was given by the Persians to the people of our country when they landed on the sacred soil of Sindhu." (R. N. Suryanarayan, Universal Religion, p 1-2, published from Mysore in 1952.)
The word Hindu may be as old as the Indus Valley Civilization. To find the meaning of ‘Hindu’ one ought to look at the term ‘Hindu Kush’ (killer of Hindus?/or Kush meaning the Biblical Ethiopian). Who were the people, who named this mountain range as Hindu Kush? Why these mountains were called the killers of Hindus? As I mentioned earlier, the Indian subcontinent was inhabited by dark complexioned people before the migration of Caucasian tribes from Caucasus.
The fair skinned Caucasian tribes who lived on the Northwest of Hindu Kush Mountain range called the Indian subcontinent as the land of Hindus (land of black people). The Northwest expansion of the inhabitants of Indus Valley was prevented by of Hindu Kush Mountains. Whenever the plain dwelling Hindus attempted to cross these mountains, they met death due harsh terrain and heavy snow. That is how these mountains were given the name Hindu Kush by mountain dwelling Caucasian tribes.
Hindu’ means black, he would have been hesitant to accept it, as the inferiority complex of ‘blackness’ is deeply imbedded in the psyche of Indians. Most Indians except the Dalits consider themselves as the descendents of Caucasian tribes, who ruled over India before the onslaught of Muslims. So for Hindus to accept that ‘Hindu’ means black would make them descendents of native Indians, who are black people That is why Hindus insist that ‘Hindu’ is the corrupted form of Sindhu [River]. Indians of today are the products of thousands of years of miscegenation between Caucasian groups and native Indians.
In Pashto, the language of the dominant Afghan tribe of Pashtoons, Hindu is pronounced as Indu (h is silent). The Greeks called the people of Indus Valley Indos or Indus and hence, the name India. The Muslims called it Hindustan. http://www.dalitstan.org/sol/hindu.html
Here's even more!
‘ F. Willord states: ‘It is certain that very ancient statues of the Gods of India have crisp hair and the features of Negroes. Some have caps… Others indeed seem to have locked curled…But this will not account for the thick lips and the noses of the ancient images; nor can it be reasonably doubted that a race of Negroes formally had power and preeminence in India. In several parts of India the mountaineers still have resemblance to Negroes in the countenance and hair which is curled and has a tendency to wool.’ [Asiatick Researches, Vol. III, London].
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From Runoko Rashidi's website (which I stumbled upon in 2001)
DR. CHEIKH ANTA DIOP AND THE CULTURAL
ROOTS OF THE DALITS: INDIA'S BLACK UNTOUCHABLES
By V.T. RAJSHEKAR
It is not generally appreciated that Blacks live all over the world, comprising the world's largest oppressed group. That Asia has a large Black population is also not well known. Indian Blacks themselves are not aware of this fact. Lately, a strong Black identity has emerged and the slogan, "Black is beautiful" is catching up fast, at least among militant Blacks. Such a feeling is putting pride back into the broken hearts of Black natives, also uniting them with the struggle of their Black comrades in Africa and elsewhere. The Black liberation struggle against white racism, inequality and male domination is an international struggle.
A distinguished Black physicist, historian and linguist, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop was among the first to establish that Egypt was the world's first civilization and that it was Black. He showed that humanity originated in Africa, and that the first human being, the first person, was Black. The Blacks migrated from Africa to other parts of the world. The Blacks are also the ancestors of Indian Untouchables (Dalits). That is why the Blacks wherever they are, belong to one single family. Hence, the relevance of Diop's work, for India's Black Indus Valley Civilization is now widely accepted.
Diop's discoveries, therefore, establish that India's Black Untouchables (with their African origin) are the ancestors of all humankind. Hence, they have to be proud of their Black Untouchable origin and their glorious cultural past. The whole world owes its origin to Black people--our people. African history laid the foundation of world history.
Collective historical consciousness is a means of survival. If India's Black Untouchables are today hiding their identity, ashamed to own their origin and admit that they are Untouchables, it is because they are not aware of their glorious past. Diop says that the Blacks can regain their personality, can become proud of their past if they are told "who they are," and "what they are." That means we have to discover our roots, our goddesses, our religion, our ancestors, our history.
Cheikh Anta Diop has proven that the core of our problem is cultural rootlessness. The most important task facing us, therefore, is to reconstruct the links that tie us as communities. Humanity was born and developed in Africa. The first human was Black, and Black is beautiful. The Blacks lost their historical memory because we were fed by false history books. The rule of oppression will soon end with the reconstruction of world history, taking the aid of the tools provided to us by authorities like Diop, Runoko Rashidi, and Ivan Van Sertima--all world famous Black scholars.
Dravidian journalist V.T. Rajshekar is the editor of Dalit Voice: The Voice of the Persecuted Nationalities Denied Human Rights. He is the author of more than twenty-five books and is widely traveled internationally.
Also see following:
HISTORY NOTES: CASTE AND RACE IN INDIA
LECTURE NOTES: THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN INDIA - A PHOTO ESSAY
HISTORY NOTES: THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN INDIAN ANTIQUITY
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: HISTORY AND HERITAGE
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: THE BIGOTRY OF HINDUS WITH REGARD TO SKIN COLOUR
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: BIGOTRY OF HINDUS WITH REGARD TO SKIN COLOUR & HISTORY AND HERITAGE
HISTORY NOTES: A PLEA FOR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AT THE WORLD CONFERENCE AGAINST RACISM
TRAVEL NOTES: LOOKING AT INDIA THROUGH AFRICAN EYES
HISTORY NOTES: PAN-AFRICANISM IN SOUTH ASIA
HISTORY NOTES: THE BLACKS OF THE EAST BENGAL: A NATIVE'S PERSPECTIVE
click here to go to it: http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/dalits.html
Edit: I also have had a strong relationship with black Indians in real life, & they are cool, especially the ones with coarse hair. So yeah, the Dravidians did get to the U.S. though not in large numbers.
DR. CHEIKH ANTA DIOP AND THE CULTURAL
ROOTS OF THE DALITS: INDIA'S BLACK UNTOUCHABLES
By V.T. RAJSHEKAR
It is not generally appreciated that Blacks live all over the world, comprising the world's largest oppressed group. That Asia has a large Black population is also not well known. Indian Blacks themselves are not aware of this fact. Lately, a strong Black identity has emerged and the slogan, "Black is beautiful" is catching up fast, at least among militant Blacks. Such a feeling is putting pride back into the broken hearts of Black natives, also uniting them with the struggle of their Black comrades in Africa and elsewhere. The Black liberation struggle against white racism, inequality and male domination is an international struggle.
A distinguished Black physicist, historian and linguist, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop was among the first to establish that Egypt was the world's first civilization and that it was Black. He showed that humanity originated in Africa, and that the first human being, the first person, was Black. The Blacks migrated from Africa to other parts of the world. The Blacks are also the ancestors of Indian Untouchables (Dalits). That is why the Blacks wherever they are, belong to one single family. Hence, the relevance of Diop's work, for India's Black Indus Valley Civilization is now widely accepted.
Diop's discoveries, therefore, establish that India's Black Untouchables (with their African origin) are the ancestors of all humankind. Hence, they have to be proud of their Black Untouchable origin and their glorious cultural past. The whole world owes its origin to Black people--our people. African history laid the foundation of world history.
Collective historical consciousness is a means of survival. If India's Black Untouchables are today hiding their identity, ashamed to own their origin and admit that they are Untouchables, it is because they are not aware of their glorious past. Diop says that the Blacks can regain their personality, can become proud of their past if they are told "who they are," and "what they are." That means we have to discover our roots, our goddesses, our religion, our ancestors, our history.
Cheikh Anta Diop has proven that the core of our problem is cultural rootlessness. The most important task facing us, therefore, is to reconstruct the links that tie us as communities. Humanity was born and developed in Africa. The first human was Black, and Black is beautiful. The Blacks lost their historical memory because we were fed by false history books. The rule of oppression will soon end with the reconstruction of world history, taking the aid of the tools provided to us by authorities like Diop, Runoko Rashidi, and Ivan Van Sertima--all world famous Black scholars.
Dravidian journalist V.T. Rajshekar is the editor of Dalit Voice: The Voice of the Persecuted Nationalities Denied Human Rights. He is the author of more than twenty-five books and is widely traveled internationally.
Also see following:
HISTORY NOTES: CASTE AND RACE IN INDIA
LECTURE NOTES: THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN INDIA - A PHOTO ESSAY
HISTORY NOTES: THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN INDIAN ANTIQUITY
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: HISTORY AND HERITAGE
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: THE BIGOTRY OF HINDUS WITH REGARD TO SKIN COLOUR
NOTES FROM A BROTHER IN INDIA: BIGOTRY OF HINDUS WITH REGARD TO SKIN COLOUR & HISTORY AND HERITAGE
HISTORY NOTES: A PLEA FOR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AT THE WORLD CONFERENCE AGAINST RACISM
TRAVEL NOTES: LOOKING AT INDIA THROUGH AFRICAN EYES
HISTORY NOTES: PAN-AFRICANISM IN SOUTH ASIA
HISTORY NOTES: THE BLACKS OF THE EAST BENGAL: A NATIVE'S PERSPECTIVE
click here to go to it: http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/dalits.html
Edit: I also have had a strong relationship with black Indians in real life, & they are cool, especially the ones with coarse hair. So yeah, the Dravidians did get to the U.S. though not in large numbers.
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