jonlakadeadmic
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i dont pay attention to rap beefs anymore, they come off as corny in this day and age
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Are Rap-battles a thing of the past?? Are they good or Bad for HipHop
Disciplined InSight
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Damn..I didn't know Hammer put a bounty on Serch's head. I missed that one.
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Disciplined InSight
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Jay-Z made it cool not to answer back or name names in today's lyrical sparring.
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jonlakadeadmic
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Disciplined InSight;2159840 said:
lol@ rappers following everything jay does
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Interview M.C. Serch and I think Playboy magazine or some shit.
PB: So from having that outlook on things, did you ever come face to face with either Hammer or Vanilla Ice?
Serch: The closest I came to Hammer was when he put the hit out on us.
PB: That really did happen then?
S: Oh yeah, that really happened. "Really happened" is like the biggest under-statement, it was beyond really happened. That **** is like as real as breathing air! Ok here's the whole thing: So we diss Hammer, and Hammer wasn't really pissed about Gas Face, he was really pissed about "***tus", when Pete said "The ***tus turned Hammer's Mother out". He took that as a straight diss to his Mom, and we weren't dissing his Mom. We were putting a play on words with "Turn this mother out" and the ***tus turned this mother out * we turned him out, we're just hotter. Ok, he took it as a diss to his Mom. So we get on a plane at that time, and we're on our way to L.A and I'm with my then girl, now wife, Chantelle, and Pete's with his girl Roxanne, and Daddy Rich is with his girl, and we're just like "Oh my god, we're going to Cali, this is amazing". So we're on the plane, and I got this whole story obviously from later in life, but this is how it went down: Louis Burrell - Hammer's brother - calls Rush and talks to Carmen Ashhurst Watson, who was the president of Def Jam at the time. And he says to her "Is 3rd Bass really coming to L.A?", and Carmen says "Yeah", and Louis says "Good THEY'RE DEAD!" and hung up the phone. So the basically had to figure out who was involved in what, and where, and how.
PB: And you're on the plane oblivious to all of this?
S: Yep. So they basically got 5 hours to clear this up before we land. They put a $60,000 hit out with one of the biggest gangs in L.A., for any member who got to us and could prove it - a huge amount of money. They contact Mike Conception, who at that time was doing that record "We're All in the Same Gang", and Hammer had got Mike's help. So Russell manages to get hold of Mike and says "Listen this can't go down, how do we stop this", and he says "It's too late now, we can't stop it", and Russell is like "No, no. I'll do anything!". So Mike finally says "Listen, I want to go to the American Music Awards, and I want to sit next to Michael Jackson, and then we won't kill them, we'll just break their legs, but you'll still be able to film them on TV from the waist up". This was his reasoning! Russell says "No, you can't shoot them at all", and finally that's the deal that they made. So Russell calls Donny Inner and Tommy Motola and he explains the situation, and if you check the seating plan for the American music awards from 1990Š Michael Jackson Mike Conception. We get off the plane and we're like "This is Cali!", we're amped, and the second we get off the plane, the guy that wound up being our security for 4 years * Uncle Mel * grabs us and is like "Get in the van!!!", and is pushing us together with about 5 other bodyguards. Now we're thinking that we're the Beatles, we're like "Yo, they must be stopping fans from ripping our clothes off, we're out of control!". When we get in the van, we're noticing strange things, like the windows are plexi-glass, there's no way to open the doors, there's no handles. We're thinking that we're HUGE! We get in the van and we're told that we have a whole floor booked at the Hyatt and that we can't have any guests, and we're like "Whoa!". We still don't get it.
We get to the hotel, and as we get to the hotel Š and at the hotel I'm confronted by Rakim, and I'm like "Oh my god, Rakim word up!". And he's like "Yo dogs, why'd you diss me", and I'm like "WHAT", and he says "You dissed me in your record 'Steppin to the A.M'". I'm like "What are you talking about", and he said "You knew that we were suing MCA and you said the line "You just a sucker seeking a settlement"". I said "No dog, the line is "You're just a stuntŠ seeking a settlement". I was talking about hoes. Dog I would never diss you, you're my favourite MC of all time!". All of a sudden this car comes by, and these bangers start coming out of it, throwing up gang signs, and Uncle Mel grabs me and I'm like "Don't drag me away from my fans". And he's like "What, are you stupid!", and then for the first time he explains the hit out on us. You know what? This whole L.A thingŠ I didn't get it. I didn't realise how deep it was and I didn't get it, I'm like "This is nonsense!". Then, all of a sudden, this skinny dude comes in there, Jerry Curl dripping, and skinny as a rail, scarred up, just pure tatts and scars, and Uncle Mel goes "Are you Pookie?" and asks for ID. And believe me, at this point guns are drawn on this kid. He shows ID that he's Pookie, and it's cool. Me and Pete are like "YoŠ What's the deal!!!". Mel tells me that this kid is going to be our liaison and he's going to stay with us. Pookie was a high lieutenant in one of these gangs, like second in command, and he had to roll with us the WHOLE time that we were in L.A.
I'm now thinking that this is B.S, and just say that I want to go to the mall to take my girl shopping. Mel says no, but Pookie is cool as long as he's with us. I go in the van for my first time to the Beverly Centre, and I'm walking around like I'm the king of L.A. I'm still saying that the whole thing is just some B.S and Pookie is like "Oh it's B.S? Ok do me a favour and go stand over there and take that elevator, you go and meet some fans then!". I'm like **** it, alright. So I go, and there's a couple of girls like "Oh my god, it's MC Serch" . But then, all of a sudden, I'm looking left and right and I'm seeing all these dudes, and I'm like "Oh ok, dudes are coming over too, it's all good". Next thing I know, they all got bandannas pulled down over their faces, and then they start to pull out right there in the mall. Then I hear this whistle, loud as hell, and I see Pookie, and he's throwing up crazy signs and shouting "IT'S ALL GOOD, IT'S OVER". Then the bandanas come off and the guns put down, and these same guys start talking like "Yo, we really like your records homes. Word up", but meŠ I'm literally shook white, and only then did it hit me that it was real. It was really, REALLY real. So this definitely put a dampener on our trip to Cali!
PB: So from having that outlook on things, did you ever come face to face with either Hammer or Vanilla Ice?
Serch: The closest I came to Hammer was when he put the hit out on us.
PB: That really did happen then?
S: Oh yeah, that really happened. "Really happened" is like the biggest under-statement, it was beyond really happened. That **** is like as real as breathing air! Ok here's the whole thing: So we diss Hammer, and Hammer wasn't really pissed about Gas Face, he was really pissed about "***tus", when Pete said "The ***tus turned Hammer's Mother out". He took that as a straight diss to his Mom, and we weren't dissing his Mom. We were putting a play on words with "Turn this mother out" and the ***tus turned this mother out * we turned him out, we're just hotter. Ok, he took it as a diss to his Mom. So we get on a plane at that time, and we're on our way to L.A and I'm with my then girl, now wife, Chantelle, and Pete's with his girl Roxanne, and Daddy Rich is with his girl, and we're just like "Oh my god, we're going to Cali, this is amazing". So we're on the plane, and I got this whole story obviously from later in life, but this is how it went down: Louis Burrell - Hammer's brother - calls Rush and talks to Carmen Ashhurst Watson, who was the president of Def Jam at the time. And he says to her "Is 3rd Bass really coming to L.A?", and Carmen says "Yeah", and Louis says "Good THEY'RE DEAD!" and hung up the phone. So the basically had to figure out who was involved in what, and where, and how.
PB: And you're on the plane oblivious to all of this?
S: Yep. So they basically got 5 hours to clear this up before we land. They put a $60,000 hit out with one of the biggest gangs in L.A., for any member who got to us and could prove it - a huge amount of money. They contact Mike Conception, who at that time was doing that record "We're All in the Same Gang", and Hammer had got Mike's help. So Russell manages to get hold of Mike and says "Listen this can't go down, how do we stop this", and he says "It's too late now, we can't stop it", and Russell is like "No, no. I'll do anything!". So Mike finally says "Listen, I want to go to the American Music Awards, and I want to sit next to Michael Jackson, and then we won't kill them, we'll just break their legs, but you'll still be able to film them on TV from the waist up". This was his reasoning! Russell says "No, you can't shoot them at all", and finally that's the deal that they made. So Russell calls Donny Inner and Tommy Motola and he explains the situation, and if you check the seating plan for the American music awards from 1990Š Michael Jackson Mike Conception. We get off the plane and we're like "This is Cali!", we're amped, and the second we get off the plane, the guy that wound up being our security for 4 years * Uncle Mel * grabs us and is like "Get in the van!!!", and is pushing us together with about 5 other bodyguards. Now we're thinking that we're the Beatles, we're like "Yo, they must be stopping fans from ripping our clothes off, we're out of control!". When we get in the van, we're noticing strange things, like the windows are plexi-glass, there's no way to open the doors, there's no handles. We're thinking that we're HUGE! We get in the van and we're told that we have a whole floor booked at the Hyatt and that we can't have any guests, and we're like "Whoa!". We still don't get it.
We get to the hotel, and as we get to the hotel Š and at the hotel I'm confronted by Rakim, and I'm like "Oh my god, Rakim word up!". And he's like "Yo dogs, why'd you diss me", and I'm like "WHAT", and he says "You dissed me in your record 'Steppin to the A.M'". I'm like "What are you talking about", and he said "You knew that we were suing MCA and you said the line "You just a sucker seeking a settlement"". I said "No dog, the line is "You're just a stuntŠ seeking a settlement". I was talking about hoes. Dog I would never diss you, you're my favourite MC of all time!". All of a sudden this car comes by, and these bangers start coming out of it, throwing up gang signs, and Uncle Mel grabs me and I'm like "Don't drag me away from my fans". And he's like "What, are you stupid!", and then for the first time he explains the hit out on us. You know what? This whole L.A thingŠ I didn't get it. I didn't realise how deep it was and I didn't get it, I'm like "This is nonsense!". Then, all of a sudden, this skinny dude comes in there, Jerry Curl dripping, and skinny as a rail, scarred up, just pure tatts and scars, and Uncle Mel goes "Are you Pookie?" and asks for ID. And believe me, at this point guns are drawn on this kid. He shows ID that he's Pookie, and it's cool. Me and Pete are like "YoŠ What's the deal!!!". Mel tells me that this kid is going to be our liaison and he's going to stay with us. Pookie was a high lieutenant in one of these gangs, like second in command, and he had to roll with us the WHOLE time that we were in L.A.
I'm now thinking that this is B.S, and just say that I want to go to the mall to take my girl shopping. Mel says no, but Pookie is cool as long as he's with us. I go in the van for my first time to the Beverly Centre, and I'm walking around like I'm the king of L.A. I'm still saying that the whole thing is just some B.S and Pookie is like "Oh it's B.S? Ok do me a favour and go stand over there and take that elevator, you go and meet some fans then!". I'm like **** it, alright. So I go, and there's a couple of girls like "Oh my god, it's MC Serch" . But then, all of a sudden, I'm looking left and right and I'm seeing all these dudes, and I'm like "Oh ok, dudes are coming over too, it's all good". Next thing I know, they all got bandannas pulled down over their faces, and then they start to pull out right there in the mall. Then I hear this whistle, loud as hell, and I see Pookie, and he's throwing up crazy signs and shouting "IT'S ALL GOOD, IT'S OVER". Then the bandanas come off and the guns put down, and these same guys start talking like "Yo, we really like your records homes. Word up", but meŠ I'm literally shook white, and only then did it hit me that it was real. It was really, REALLY real. So this definitely put a dampener on our trip to Cali!
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PB: More importantly than your life, did you make up with Rah?
S: Yeah, I made up with Rakim, and we still cool to this day. But the next day we went to K-DAY, which was a 24-hour Hip-Hop station in L.A, so it was like Mecca, it was Hot. Greg Mack "The Mack Attack" was the morning show, and it was THE morning show in L.A. So we come and do the show. Greg Mack does about 2 minutes of an interview and then all of a sudden he goes "Hey we got a surprise guest on the phoneŠ MC Hammer live from the A.M.A's. You won 5 awards last night, thank you for being on the show". And me and Pete are like "YO!". I mean we have so much to say to this dude, so much. So Hammer starts going on this whole tirade saying like it's one thing to diss, but another thing to diss a man's mother. And we were saying that we didn't diss his mother, and I was trying to be real deep, and I'll never forget what I said; it was "Yo man, if you think that we dissed anyone in your matrionical background I apologise". I don't know why I said it like that, I was trying to be like real high falutin . And he was like "Well that's fine to say now, but it's on record and will be for the rest of our lives", so I was like "Well dog, you know what you did though, let's just keep it in perspective".
PB: And how did Hammer respond to that?
S: He straight hung up the phone. And Greg Mack thinks that he's got us locked, and he gets on and says "Well let's see what you guys think, 3rd Bass or Hammer?". First call comes in * "Yo I love MC Hammer and 3rd Bass is wack". Second call comes in * "Yo I love 3rd Bass, Hammer's a cornball". Third call * "Yo Hammer is wack it's good that they dissed him". About 10 minutes later, Greg Mack couldn't even find somebody to say a good word about Hammer. Nobody. Greg Mack is like "Well hey thanks for coming", and I'm like "**** You", and just walk out!
PB: Looking back, it was quite an important stance that you took, because although that Pop exploitation had already happened in a way years earlier before, with the Sugarhill Gang, Hammer set a precedent, and opened the gates for the way in which the rap music "industry" has evolved to today.
S: Yeah, he set the tone for bad rap music. At the time, we were upset that De La Soul wasn't getting their props, you know. Tribe Called Quest, they should have got the A.M.A's, you know - how do we fix that, that was a big issue for us then. Anyway, the very last call on Greg Mack was this gang banger, who was saying "Yo, we coming up there" and Greg Mack hung up and Mel was saying to us "Time to go!". We all get back in the van and there at the bottom of the hill, sure enough, are bangers. Pookie gets out of the van, throws up the signs, and it's all good. Now, we're throwing the biggest album release party in L.A at the biggest club, the Palace. We had to go in disguised as security to our own party! Our girlfriends are crying their eyes out that we don't get killed! And you know what though... To this dayŠ.I'd diss him again! It's real simple: He was wack, he'll always be wack and that's that. It's not like I hate HIM, I mean I got a family, and he got a family, so I don't wish any ill will on him, but that was the start of the ending.
S: Yeah, I made up with Rakim, and we still cool to this day. But the next day we went to K-DAY, which was a 24-hour Hip-Hop station in L.A, so it was like Mecca, it was Hot. Greg Mack "The Mack Attack" was the morning show, and it was THE morning show in L.A. So we come and do the show. Greg Mack does about 2 minutes of an interview and then all of a sudden he goes "Hey we got a surprise guest on the phoneŠ MC Hammer live from the A.M.A's. You won 5 awards last night, thank you for being on the show". And me and Pete are like "YO!". I mean we have so much to say to this dude, so much. So Hammer starts going on this whole tirade saying like it's one thing to diss, but another thing to diss a man's mother. And we were saying that we didn't diss his mother, and I was trying to be real deep, and I'll never forget what I said; it was "Yo man, if you think that we dissed anyone in your matrionical background I apologise". I don't know why I said it like that, I was trying to be like real high falutin . And he was like "Well that's fine to say now, but it's on record and will be for the rest of our lives", so I was like "Well dog, you know what you did though, let's just keep it in perspective".
PB: And how did Hammer respond to that?
S: He straight hung up the phone. And Greg Mack thinks that he's got us locked, and he gets on and says "Well let's see what you guys think, 3rd Bass or Hammer?". First call comes in * "Yo I love MC Hammer and 3rd Bass is wack". Second call comes in * "Yo I love 3rd Bass, Hammer's a cornball". Third call * "Yo Hammer is wack it's good that they dissed him". About 10 minutes later, Greg Mack couldn't even find somebody to say a good word about Hammer. Nobody. Greg Mack is like "Well hey thanks for coming", and I'm like "**** You", and just walk out!
PB: Looking back, it was quite an important stance that you took, because although that Pop exploitation had already happened in a way years earlier before, with the Sugarhill Gang, Hammer set a precedent, and opened the gates for the way in which the rap music "industry" has evolved to today.
S: Yeah, he set the tone for bad rap music. At the time, we were upset that De La Soul wasn't getting their props, you know. Tribe Called Quest, they should have got the A.M.A's, you know - how do we fix that, that was a big issue for us then. Anyway, the very last call on Greg Mack was this gang banger, who was saying "Yo, we coming up there" and Greg Mack hung up and Mel was saying to us "Time to go!". We all get back in the van and there at the bottom of the hill, sure enough, are bangers. Pookie gets out of the van, throws up the signs, and it's all good. Now, we're throwing the biggest album release party in L.A at the biggest club, the Palace. We had to go in disguised as security to our own party! Our girlfriends are crying their eyes out that we don't get killed! And you know what though... To this dayŠ.I'd diss him again! It's real simple: He was wack, he'll always be wack and that's that. It's not like I hate HIM, I mean I got a family, and he got a family, so I don't wish any ill will on him, but that was the start of the ending.
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These new rappers are soft as hell.. Instead of trying to show off their lyrical abilities, they wanna put out exposure pics/vids and rant on Twitter.
I wish Beef was still Relevant .. i'd love to hear some competition in hip hop.
I only felt half of the Nas & Jay-Z beef, but i know that was an exciting time for yall.
But Beef has become a promotional tool nowaydays, and thats a damn shame..
I wish Beef was still Relevant .. i'd love to hear some competition in hip hop.
I only felt half of the Nas & Jay-Z beef, but i know that was an exciting time for yall.
But Beef has become a promotional tool nowaydays, and thats a damn shame..
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Smo-King Locs
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that was a trend...they played the shyt out...beef was gettin corny, nigga just make good music n keep it pushin...
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Disciplined InSight
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H-Rap 180;2159882 said:
Daaaaaamn...and niggas actually think Hammer was soft. I always knew Hammer was gully, but this solidifies it more.
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Disciplined InSight
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Thank 50 Cent as well everybody...
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i just posted in another thread about diss records but niggas are in a cold war state of mind. The late 80s-2004 niggas were in world war mode fighting clawing allot of people died because of battles. Now people in cold war mode where its mind games and subliminal shit. Now i HATE the twitter shit because niggas need to say shit up front or shut up. However its just the times.
As far as rap battling for fun that shit had a golden age but now its played out for the most part. The problem is dudes just keep talking about how the person they battle is gay and how they fuck their opponents girl or mom all day. (which i never understood cause how can you be gay yet you have a girlfriend). For battling to come back it needs to be innovative again.
As far as rap battling for fun that shit had a golden age but now its played out for the most part. The problem is dudes just keep talking about how the person they battle is gay and how they fuck their opponents girl or mom all day. (which i never understood cause how can you be gay yet you have a girlfriend). For battling to come back it needs to be innovative again.
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a really dope lyrical battle that doesnt cross over to violence is one of the illest parts of hip hop to me...last time we saw that i think was buddens and saigon...2 lyrically capable MC's that tried to destroy the other instead of gay ass youtube threats and twitter beefing...
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Smo-King Locs
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imILL;2159891 said:
muthafucka u soft...thatz how it always was... u say something kool it's your mouth but get ready 2 deal with the consequences.... we either r scrapping stabbing r strapping so what
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