Appreciating the Zen Master in full

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There was a follow-up question that I probably should have asked. Why wouldn't you want to coach Kobe as he's transitioning out of his prime?

In my defense, I knew the answer: Would YOU want to coach Kobe after his prime, when he still thinks he's great … but he isn't? Or Jordan? Or anyone else with a healthy ego who's accustomed to being the best, or one of the best, but those days are over and they're the last to realize it? Jackson had spent the past two decades carefully avoiding that specific scenario. In late March, it looked like he made the right gamble: The Lakers had just rolled off 15 of 16 victories and reestablished themselves as The Team To Beat. Kobe did have one great year left in him. Or so we thought.

As we dug into our food, neither of us could have imagined that the Lakers would win four playoff games … total.

Think of any great NBA coach and one distinct image jumps into your brain. I think of Red Auerbach sucking on that cigar, a condescending smirk on his face, watching the last minute of a playoff victory and delighting in the knowledge that he had Bill Russell and nobody else did. I think of Pat Riley wearing an expensive suit with his hair slicked back, the epitome of Hollywood cool, gesturing at Magic to keep pushing and pushing. I think of how Jerry Sloan's hangdog face wore every defeat, every terrible officiating call, every bad break, everything. I think of Gregg Popovich dressed like Sean Connery in an "SNL" "Celebrity Jeopardy" sketch, surrounded by his players during a crucial timeout, holding a chalkboard, diagramming some complicated play and knowing his players were smart enough to run it.

When I think of Phil Jackson, two guys come to mind: Young Phil and Old Phil. Young Phil was skinny with dark hair and a goofy mustache; he looked like he came from another era, like someone Larry Dallas would bring over to the Regal Beagle to meet Jack Tripper. Old Phil didn't look anything like Young Phil: white hair, a clean-shaven face, a heavier frame, and a body that was scattered in nine different directions. Still, Young Phil and Old Phil had one thing in common: They kept their cool at all times.

That trait defined Jackson as a coach. He couldn't be rattled. He never overreacted. He measured every response, thought out every media barb, dealt with every player with the same steady hand. These past 20 years weren't exactly easy for Jackson, even if the narrative has morphed into "Well, anyone could win eleven titles with Jordan, Shaq and Kobe!" In 1992, a best-selling book called "The Jordan Rules" nearly imploded the Bulls. In 1993, his best player disappeared for 18 months. In 1997, the relationship between Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan and Bulls general manager Jerry Krause became so contentious that Jackson asked Krause to stop traveling with the team. In 1998, Dennis Rodman started partying so much that Jackson and a few others had to have a makeshift intervention. In 2001, Shaq and Kobe's relationship started to deteriorate, a three-year spiral that bottomed out when Kobe was accused of sexual assault. In 2005, his general manager traded his second-best player for Kwame Brown. In 2007, Kobe spent the summer and the first month of the regular season desperately pushing for a trade. Jackson managed everything. There were times when he failed -- the 2004 Finals, most notably -- but you could never say he lost his cool.

His defining moment happened during the 1994 playoffs, when Pippen refused to re-enter Game 3 against New York after Jackson called the final play for Toni Kukoc. Instead of laying into Pippen after the game, Jackson trusted his players to handle the immediate aftermath. It ended up being done by Bill Cartwright, who screamed at Scottie with tears rolling down his face, incredulous that one of the league's most unselfish players would undermine that dogfight of a season -- when the Bulls somehow remained contenders with Jordan playing baseball -- by acting so selfishly.

Jackson waited for the room to calm down, judged the moment for what it was, chalked it up as an aberration and moved on. More than a few coaches would have abandoned Pippen, claimed that he lost the team, pushed for him to be traded that summer. Jackson knew that Pippen's mistake came from a complicated place, a Molotov cocktail of insecurity, ego and frustration about his unfair salary. When Jordan left, everyone pushed Scottie to be the leader -- including Jackson -- but the Bulls didn't pay him like other franchise players, and now they were giving away his "You the man!" moment? Jackson wanted to understand why Pippen handled it so poorly, figured it out, determined it wouldn't happen again (hopefully), and defended him going forward. Coaching isn't just about calling plays, riding the officials and figuring out strategies. Really, it's management more than anything else. You manage people. Jackson managed people better than anyone.

He did it by keeping his cool, always, which is what made it so jarring when Jackson unraveled in Game 3 of this month's Dallas series. Kobe couldn't save them this time; his prime was suddenly slipping away like Jackson had feared. Pau Gasol had fallen into a spiritual funk and couldn't be shaken from it. The last four players in Jackson's nine-man rotation were effectively useless; Dallas' bench was destroying them. Almost as a last resort, the Zen Master morphed into Norman Dale on the sidelines for Game 3, yelling and screaming more than ever before. There was one moment in the first half -- endlessly replayed all weekend, simply because it was so foreign to watch -- when Jackson laid into Gasol and pounded him in the chest for effect, the urgency practically spilling out of him. None of it worked. The Lakers lost.

Two days later, after Dallas had blown the doors off and turned Game 4 into a rout, two of Jackson's players basically quit on him. The first was Lamar Odom, who drifted through that series much like he drifts through his crappy reality show, finally deciding to leave for good with a premeditated body block of Dirk Nowitzki. A few minutes later, Andrew Bynum delivered a Triple H-like flying elbow to tiny J.J. Barea, earned an automatic ejection, then ripped his jersey off while being escorted away. As a Celtics fan, I couldn't have been more delighted to watch the Lakers disintegrate like that. It was like basketball porn. As a basketball fan? I hated it. That's not how Phil Jackson should have gone out: with him losing his cool, then his players doing the same. Those last two games had nothing in common with his career.

Like so many other times, Jackson could see Game 4 coming. Four of his five children had flown into Dallas to dine with him the night before -- a Viking funeral of sorts -- and once I heard about that, I knew that he knew. Your kids fly in on short...
 
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notice when something is coming to an end: your life, your career, your health, your marriage, something. Either they sense something is wrong, or you sense it. But you want to be with them, and they want to be with you. When Jackson thinks back to that final series, I bet he thinks about that dinner first: the stories they told, the wine they drank, the food they ate. He will forget what happened in the four games. He will remember the dinner.

My take: I don't think Jackson is ever coming back. [BNothing can top those Jordan years for him. It's impossible. He already had his holy grail.[/B] In El Segundo, our conversation kept circling back to MJ, and really, that's why we ended up having lunch in the first place: Jackson had quoted a Jordan argument from my NBA book in two separate interviews (that we need to stop looking for another Michael Jordan, because it's never happening), making me wonder, "Wait, did he read my book?" As it turned out, he had simply thumbed through it in a store for a few minutes before buying it for Odom for Christmas.

Was it telling that he thumbed through a 700-page book just to read the Jordan section? You tell me.

We talked about their last three years in Chicago together, when Michael's fame trapped him in hotel suites and casinos, surrounded by only a couple of trusted friends. We talked about Michael playing 36 holes of golf before playoff games, how he stayed up until all hours, how he needed only an hour of sleep and he was fine. We talked about Michael and Scottie as a tandem, how much ground they covered, how well they connected, how they compared to LeBron and Wade, how they loved eviscerating teams on the road more than anything. We talked about Michael's controversial Hall of Fame speech, which Jackson loved because, as he put it (while laughing), "that was Michael," the guy who became the greatest player ever by fueling himself with so many petty slights and grudges. We talked about Michael's steadfast refusal to blow random, meaningless road games in Sacramento, Vancouver, Cleveland or wherever, how those were the nights that made him truly special, when his entire team was dragging, when the NBA schedule demanded a Chicago loss, yet Michael just couldn't allow it.

I never asked Jackson to compare Michael and Kobe simply because the question didn't need to be asked. Jackson made his answer clear over the years, doing his best never to frame it in a way that antagonized Kobe. You know, "There will never be another Michael Jordan," stuff like that. His own career is harder to assess. You can't deny Jackson's timing (first Jordan, then Shaq and a young Kobe, then Kobe), and if we learned anything about NBA coaching over the years, it's that you're only as good as your players. But that belittles what Jackson accomplished, because clearly, eleven titles mean something.

He never gets enough credit for successfully handling two of the three most difficult NBA superstars ever: Jordan and Kobe (with Wilt being the third). Jordan's ongoing ruthlessness threatened the basic concept of a "team" -- instead of being supportive, he was withering. He had to win all the time, every time. If he sensed someone might be a weak link, Jordan shattered their confidence rather than building it up. During any times of real struggle on a basketball court, he trusted himself over everyone else and played accordingly. Jackson tempered his most unlikable qualities while accentuating the good ones, steering him toward a team framework without compromising the ferocity that defined him.

His smartest small-picture move was pitting Pippen and Jordan on opposite sides in every scrimmage, which kept both players sharp and insured their practices were properly competitive; otherwise, Jordan would have gone for a shutout every game. His smartest big-picture move was his handling of Jordan's baseball sabbatical, when he reminded Michael that he was an artist more than a basketball player, and that, by walking away, he would be depriving millions of a chance to experience that art. He never tried to change Michael's mind, just reminded him what was at stake. For Jordan, that cemented their relationship and opened the door for Michael's eventual return; he knew Jackson cared about him as something more than a meal ticket. When people dismiss Jackson's credentials with "Anyone could have coached Michael Jordan," they are wrong.

Kobe presented a different set of issues, as we've rehashed ad nauseam over the past ten years. Jackson won five rings with him, but not before walking away in 2004 (and ripping Kobe to shreds in an astonishingly critical book), then returning a year later and eventually working out a manageable compromise. Jackson dealt with Kobe the same way parents deal with raising young kids: You know you'll have good days and bad days, so you can't dwell on the bad ones. Only once did Kobe nearly shoot the Lakers out of a title -- Game 7 of the 2010 Finals, when Boston's strategy hinged on doubling Kobe, forcing "hero" shots and hoping his ego would compel him to keep shooting (which it did) -- but in another classic Jackson-era moment, Kobe's teammates (Derek Fisher, especially) pulled him back into the fold. Bryant regrouped in the fourth quarter, made better decisions and helped the Lakers win the title.

And really, that's the night Jackson's career should have ended. Other than money and the tantalizing chance for a fourth three-peat, he talked himself into another year for the same reason everyone does: You never totally know until you have that one awful moment when you realize "Crap, I should have left a year ago." Watching Jackson sitting on the bench in Dallas in Game 4, his...
 
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face working overtime to churn out a barely visible smile, you could almost see that thought bubble forming over his head.

I stayed too long. I should have left.

The good news: Nobody will remember that Dallas sweep in eleven years, just the eleven rings and every relationship he fostered along the way. Steve Kerr told me once that what made Jackson special -- and Popovich too -- was that he cared about his twelfth guy as much as his best guy. He spent time with his players, bought them gifts, thought about what made them tick. He connected with them, sold them on the concept of a team, stuck up for them when they needed him. His actual coaching -- calling plays, working refs, figuring out lineups and everything else that we see -- was a smaller piece of a much bigger picture. His players competed for him for many reasons, but mainly because they truly believed Jackson cared about them. Which he definitely did.

And now, he's walking away. At least that's the hope. I can still see him hobbling across the street in El Segundo after we said our goodbyes -- walking with his butt, basically -- and hoping he'd eventually land on a beach somewhere and never look back. Our greatest living basketball coach played in 874 NBA games and coached another 1,977 of them. That's 2,851 games in all, and trust me: When you watch him walk away, you feel every one of them.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/page2/story?w=1ammv&storyId=6538445&i=TOP&topslot=1
 
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Better Career appreciation

Thirteen-time NBA champion Phil Jackson, the man who most thoroughly embodies the idea of the basketball guru, is saying he’ll hang it up now that his Lakers have been eliminated from the playoffs. We look back on his life and career:

1945: Born in Deer Lodge, MT, where all kids could do for fun was wear suits and pace back and forth

1963: Birth of Michael Jordan

1975: While discussing plays during a timeout, Jackson decides he’d rather stay there on the sidelines than go back in and play

1990: Jackson first implements the triangle offense with his Bulls team, the triangle being comprised of three Bulls players staying the hell out of the way of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen

1992: After winning back-to-back titles, Jackson comes up with the idea of doing it again the next year

2004: Has the pleasure of seeing Karl Malone and Gary Payton lose in the Finals

2004: After a long day of heated contract negotiations, goes home and fucks his boss's daughter repeatedly

2011: Jackson ascends to a higher plane of coaching in a bright flash of pure white energy
 
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As a coach....dude was A CHAMPION for over 50% of his career...one of the greatest accomplishments in pro sports.
 
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Mantequilla;2560643 said:
Better Career appreciation

lol and co-sizzle.

You have to give a man with more rings than fingers his props, but I wouldn't put him in my top 5 of coaches (all sports) of all time.

ANY coach good enough to be an NBA coach would've won at least 6 rings with the talent he's had, so I'm not impressed. He reminds me of some of the top-tier college football coaches of recent history (Switzer/Oklahoma, Bowden/FSU, etc.) whose REAL claim to fame and success was their ability to assemble great talent and keep them all happy while their assistant coaches did all the REAL work and motivation.

I feel the same way about Auerbach. They both had an almost unfair amount of talent throughout their tenures.

I personally have more respect for a coach like Larry Brown who seems to purposely take the most difficult jobs and get the best out of whatever talent he has. He's still the only coach in the modern NBA to win a championship with a Superstar-less team. That one championship with Pistons is more impressive to me than all eleven of Jackson's rings from a coaching standpoint.

#kanyeshrugnewski
 
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how you got the most rings out of any coach in any major sport and they still don't wanna call you the GOAT?
 
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mdizzle9000;2560764 said:
how you got the most rings out of any coach in any major sport and they still don't wanna call you the GOAT?

yeah its kinda absurd, but they'll re-think it after he's been gone a few years. realistically he coulda made a case for GOAT coach after his 2nd bulls 3peat
 
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b*braze;2560897 said:
yeah its kinda absurd, but they'll re-think it after he's been gone a few years. realistically he coulda made a case for GOAT coach after his 2nd bulls 3peat

Not me. I pretty much wrote his career off once he left Chicago and then signed with L.A. At that point I knew what he was all about.

Now had he at least made it to the finals that year without Jordan (or the year Jordan came back) or at the very least been able to make Scottie Pippen's bitch ass get off the bench and go back into the game...

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...THEN I would consider him the GOAT. But the few times he had to face the kind of adversity that other NBA coaches face all the time (lack of talent, lack of motivation, injuries, bad attitudes) -- he failed.

Lakers fans can't have it both ways -- if you think Kobe really is in Jordan's class -- then you're saying Phil had the chance to coach not 1, not 2, but THREE out-of-this-world-once-in-a-lifetime talents in his career. Most coaches don't even get to coach 1. Much less 3.

So either Phil is the GOAT. Or Kobe is Jordan. Pick one.

I'd disagree with either choice, but at least y'all would sound logical. lol
 
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greenwood1921;2560931 said:
Not me. I pretty much wrote his career off once he left Chicago and then signed with L.A. At that point I knew what he was all about.

Now had he at least made it to the finals that year without Jordan (or the year Jordan came back) or at the very least been able to make Scottie Pippen's bitch ass get off the bench and go back into the game...

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did you happen to read the article? it addressed that. and as i remember the play he drew up for kukoc worked

Lakers fans can't have it both ways -- if you think Kobe really is in Jordan's class --

i dont. im a big fan, not a stan. i know most niggas in the CS cant understand that since saying anything positive about a player/not outright hating him somehow = stan

then you're saying Phil had the chance to coach not 1, not 2, but THREE out-of-this-world-once-in-a-lifetime talents in his career. Most coaches don't even get to coach 1. Much less 3.

So either Phil is the GOAT. Or Kobe is Jordan. Pick one.

other coaches have coached those 3 players and only 1 other has won a championship with one of those players. (pat riley, who not so coincidently, can make a case for GOAT coach in his own right)

I'd disagree with either choice, but at least y'all would sound logical. lol

like i said in a few years when reality sets in and no other coaches come close to sniffing the success he has had you'll problably change your stance on that.

and for all larry brown has accomplished turning bad teams into good ones, could it be the reason he leaves teams when they get good, is because he cant handle the pressure to win that comes with being an elite team?

ive never seen a coach so comfortable with being mediocre.
 
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b*braze;2561003 said:
did you happen to read the article? it addressed that. and as i remember the play he drew up for kukoc worked

i dont. im a big fan, not a stan. i know most niggas in the CS cant understand that since saying anything positive about a player/not outright hating him somehow = stan

other coaches have coached those 3 players and only 1 other has won a championship with one of those players. (pat riley, who not so coincidently, can make a case for GOAT coach in his own right)

like i said in a few years when reality sets in and no other coaches come close to sniffing the success he has had you'll problably change your stance on that.

and for all larry brown has accomplished turning bad teams into good ones, could it be the reason he leaves teams when they get good, is because he cant handle the pressure to win that comes with being an elite team?

ive never seen a coach so comfortable with being mediocre.

The only reason you didn't see other coaches win with those players is because they didn't get the same amount of time and trust that Phil got. The Bulls were getting close to getting impatient with Phil Jackson in '92 when he won the first one (had he failed, they would've dropped him the same way they dropped Doug Collins).

And since we're judging "rings" here, I do recall how that SEASON ended when Pippen wouldn't come off the bench -- and it didn't end with a ring.

Not to mention that he became the HC for Mike, Shaq, and Kobe AFTER they all were in their prime and had taken their lumps and fell short in recent years. I've never seen him lay the ground work to build a team -- and that's what the best coaches have all done -- except him.

He will always be known by the players he coached rather than the teams he built.

Which is why a coach like Jimmy JOhnson (Cowboys) and Jerry Sloan (Jazz) can walk away from their respective sports with less championships than Phil and still be content -- 'cause people know that they built their teams from scratch and endured all the ups and downs that come with that and still made championship caliber teams when it was all said and done.

Y'all wanted to know why Phil ain't a "hands down" GOAT -- ^^^ That's why.
 
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b*braze;2561003 said:
i dont. im a big fan, not a stan. i know most niggas in the CS cant understand that since saying anything positive about a player/not outright hating him somehow = stan

...............
 
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greenwood1921;2561077 said:
The only reason you didn't see other coaches win with those players is because they didn't get the same amount of time and trust that Phil got. The Bulls were getting close to getting impatient with Phil Jackson in '92 when he won the first one (had he failed, they would've dropped him the same way they dropped Doug Collins).

they signed PJ in 1990. 1991 they won the first of 6 championships (versus my lakers)

And since we're judging "rings" here, I do recall how that SEASON ended when Pippen wouldn't come off the bench -- and it didn't end with a ring.

yeah... 1 season removed from losing the best player on their team and in the NBA(and getting nothing in return to replace him), they won 50+ games and almost made the ECF

Not to mention that he became the HC for Mike, Shaq, and Kobe AFTER they all were in their prime and had taken their lumps and fell short in recent years. I've never seen him lay the ground work to build a team -- and that's what the best coaches have all done -- except him.

good point (except kobe was nowhere near his prime yet when he first coached him)

He will always be known by the players he coached rather than the teams he built.

Which is why a coach like Jimmy JOhnson (Cowboys) and Jerry Sloan (Jazz) can walk away from their respective sports with less championships than Phil and still be content -- 'cause people know that they built their teams from scratch and endured all the ups and downs that come with that and still made championship caliber teams when it was all said and done.

content? maybe. i doubt it, tho... he "built up" a team that placed second at his very best. coming up short two times against...?

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no coincidence.

Y'all wanted to know why Phil ain't a "hands down" GOAT -- ^^^ That's why.

not hands down best? agree to disagree.

but not top 5? you'd most likely be reaching on maybe 2 of them.

only coaches in his league are wooden, auerbach and bear bryant. admittedly i dont know much about baseball/hockey so maybe theyve got better coaches in those sports i havent heard of.
 
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b*braze;2561856 said:
they signed PJ in 1990. 1991 they won the first of 6 championships (versus my lakers)

yeah... 1 season removed from losing the best player on their team and in the NBA(and getting nothing in return to replace him), they won 50+ games and almost made the ECF

good point (except kobe was nowhere near his prime yet when he first coached him)

content? maybe. i doubt it, tho... he "built up" a team that placed second at his very best. coming up short two times against...?

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no coincidence.

not hands down best? agree to disagree.

but not top 5? you'd most likely be reaching on maybe 2 of them.

only coaches in his league are wooden, auerbach and bear bryant. admittedly i dont know much about baseball/hockey so maybe they're better coaches in those sports i havent heard of.

You're obviously just counting rings. I'm counting degree of difficulty. Period.
 
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